Mustapha Mond and John the Savage's discussion continues on religion and philosophy. Mond states he's got "God in the safe and Ford on the shelves," He says God and the bible are the same as Othello and Shakespeare, old, even though he believes there "quite probably is one." (God) They speak of the sacrifices people in the brave new world have made to be happy and how science and technology isn't compatible with religion. Mond mentions that philosophers didn't think of the modern world and that "religious sentiment is superfluous". Growing increasingly frustrated with the conversation, John says it's natural to turn to God when one is alone, and is gloomy reflecting on the fact that in Malpais he was always alone, yet in London he could never escape group activities. Artificially produced youth negates the need for God in the utopian world of soma. John finally claims his right to being unhappy.