Is the White Male Under Attack?

[DanielBenoit]

I don't know about the average white male in the US but, as Dr. DeFelice points out in his book, there are certainly cases of anti-white discrimination in the USA. As far as the UK is concerned, it would seem that a very similar situation prevails; after all, 'liberalism' is 'liberalism' wherever it raises its head.

Nonsense. What does this have to do with liberals? It's been liberals who have been fighting workplace discrimination ever since the Civil Rights era. But none of that, as the mere mention of political party or stance is enough to endanger this thread.

And yes of course there are cases of anti-white discrimination, there will always be cases of anti-any race discrimination as long as we live in a free and diverse country. It's a bad symptom of democracy and something that we cannot entirely be rid of, but can still try our best to discourage and decrease.

But if you look at the statistics, to call the white male "under attack" by minorities is an absurdity.

[BienvenuJDC]

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Btw, as far as Minority or Woman Owned Businesses go. . .what in the world is wrong with that? What is wrong with a black CEO or a woman CEO? Are you implying that a business owned by blacks or women is more likely to discriminate against white male workers than businesses owned by white males?

Here is the webstie for the MBDA and nowhere does it talk about discriminating against whites. It is merely an organization to help and assist minority-owned businesses (say. . .a small business owned by a Hispanic family?).

There is requirement for certain jobs to use Minority/Woman Owned Businesses. That is racism. no matter how you paint it, it is racism. Whenever you prefer or discriminate against based on race, it is racism. I don't have statistics, I have experienced it personally. I have read the specs for projects with language that blatantly giving preference to minorities. And have been subject to losing jobs for the same reason. Companies even go under because they don't have the jobs.

[dafydd manton]

But, is it in the minority?

[papayahed]

I call this the old white guy syndrome. I believe it isn't what minorites themselves are doing it's just that fact that we are growing and gaining higher positions. In a lot of businesses it used to be called "the good old boy" network. A white guy would walk into a boardroom and see himself sitting there. He knew the ettiquette and it was comfortable. Today that guy walks into a boardroom and there are people that look different, ettiquette has changed (no more lunches at the strip club) and it takes a little getting used too. I just think white guys were so used to ruling the nest and now that the nest is looking a little they feel their place is being attacked when in actuality it's the same as it was except the players look different.

[BienvenuJDC]

I call this the old white guy syndrome. I believe it isn't what minorites themselves are doing it's just that fact that we are growing and gaining higher positions. In a lot of businesses it used to be called "the good old boy" network. A white guy would walk into a boardroom and see himself sitting there. He knew the ettiquette and it was comfortable. Today that guy walks into a boardroom and there are people that look different, ettiquette has changed (no more lunches at the strip club) and it takes a little getting used too. I just think white guys were so used to ruling the nest and now that the nest is looking a little they feel their place is being attacked when in actuality it's the same as it was except the players look different.

That is not what we are discussing. We are discussing when one gets preferential treatment (or discrimination) based on race, gender, or color. If there was ever a time that a set of construction specs required or even encouraged using businesses that were own/operated by whites or males, there would be lawsuits flying quicker than no one's business. If there was ever an employment test that gave special points to a white/male (based on gender/color), it would be in the courtroom.

Today's equality is not Equal.

[Emil Miller]

Nonsense.
But if you look at the statistics, to call the white male "under attack" by minorities is an absurdity.

Well, as Dr. DeFelice points out, when the minorities gang up, they become the majority and, at that point, the white male does become under attack.

[DanielBenoit]

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There is requirement for certain jobs to use Minority/Woman Owned Businesses.

Please provide me with any sort of government website that says that. Thank you

That is racism. no matter how you paint it, it is racism. Whenever you prefer or discriminate against based on race, it is racism. I don't have statistics, I have experienced it personally. I have read the specs for projects with language that blatantly giving preference to minorities. And have been subject to losing jobs for the same reason. Companies even go under because they don't have the jobs.

As for personal experience, I cannot argue for or against that as I was not involved in the situation. If you truly believe that you were discriminated against because of your race then do indeed file a lawsuit. Just because of the unjust practices of a particular individual company it does not mean that the policies of our government are at fault or that there is some kind of conspiracy amongst minorities to discriminate against whites.

That is not what we are discussing. We are discussing when one gets preferential treatment (or discrimination) based on race, gender, or color. If there was ever a time that a set of construction specs required or even encouraged using businesses that were own/operated by whites or males, there would be lawsuits flying quicker than no one's business. If there was ever an employment test that gave special points to a white/male (based on gender/color), it would be in the courtroom.

Please provide me with evidence of these "special points". And btw, papayahead's post the most sensible I've read in this entire thread. This perception that white males are being discriminated against like never before is merely a result of the times changing. Just as an example, hate crimes against whites have in fact decreased rather significantly since 1995 (both tables are provided by the FBI):

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hatecm.htm

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2008/data/table_01.html

Well, as Dr. DeFelice points out, when the minorities gang up, they become the majority and, at that point, the white male does become under attack.

Minorities "gang[ing] up"? Really? Please explain what you are implying or saying, because from what I am receiving what you are implying is very offensive: Do you seriously mean to say that whenever blacks are the majority in the workplace that they will "gang up" on the single white guy there? That is prejudice.

[BienvenuJDC]

Please provide me with any sort of government website that says that. Thank you

I read it on a set of specs that the company that I work for is bidding on. Therefore I cannot tell you what project it is because of confidentiality, but it happens all the time. Just because the media isn't publicizing statistics on it does mean that it isn't happening. Back in the 60s, the majority of people rejected the idea of blacks being discriminated against. Just like people today reject the idea that white males are being discriminated against today. You can be open-minded, or you can be like those individuals back in the 60s.

As for personal experience, I cannot argue for or against that as I was not involved in the situation. If you truly believe that you were discriminated against because of your race then do indeed file a lawsuit. Just because of the unjust practices of a particular individual company it does not mean that the policies of our government are at fault or that there is some kind of conspiracy amongst minorities to discriminate against whites.

I can't file any lawsuit. I merely worked for a company who experienced this. It's the system...(and currently is legal), but it's wrong. Not everything is solved by filing a lawsuit.

[papayahed]

That is not what we are discussing.

{Edit} I'm giving my opinion on why old white guys feel mistreated.

[Scheherazade]

So, the white female is safe?

Thank Heavens for that!

[DanielBenoit]

Btw, a few of the posters on here have been making their points by referring to a certain Dr. DeFelice (author of the book described in the OP's post), but apparently he is an M.D. in medicine and not any sort of educated expert on sociology or race relations. His social opinions hold about just as much authority as Pauline Kael's would on theoretical physics.

http://www.fimdefelice.org/bio.html

Here's an interesting article on his medical theories:

http://www.fimdefelice.org/clippings...onquixote.html

I read it on a set of specs that the company that I work for is bidding on. Therefore I cannot tell you what project it is because of confidentiality, but it happens all the time. Just because the media isn't publicizing statistics on it does mean that it isn't happening. Back in the 60s, the majority of people rejected the idea of blacks being discriminated against. Just like people today reject the idea that white males are being discriminated against today. You can be open-minded, or you can be like those individuals back in the 60s.

Back in the 60's people had great reason to believe that blacks were discriminated against due to the almost universal uprising of African-Americans against those injustices. We have no reason to believe today that white males are being discriminated against constantly on a regular basis by minorities. None. The statistics I provided were all from either governmental organizations or independent nonpartisan organizations (i.e. the Gallup poll, which has been used for decades and is almost universally regarded as a valid source of statistics and information).

[papayahed]

So, the white female is safe?

Thank Heavens for that!

I have issues with them too.

[Delta40]

Old strategy this. white males typically scapegoat minorities for what they can't handle. its called crying to mama

[dafydd manton]

(Tee Hee!)

[Emil Miller]

[QUOTE=DanielBenoit;950129][QUOTE=BienvenuJDC;950120] Minorities "gang[ing] up"? Really? Please explain what you are implying or saying, because from what I am receiving what you are implying is very offensive: Do you seriously mean to say that whenever blacks are the majority in the workplace that they will "gang up" on the single white guy there? [I]That is prejudice

That was not what I meant in the first place, I meant that when all minorities get together, then the white man will be in the minority and, by your own inference, will be discriminated against because he is a minority.
Secondly, if you don't believe that blacks will gang up against a single white guy, you are in serious need of an some real education, as opposed to the liberal pap you, and countless others, have been fed for the last four or five decades. Rascism, Shmacism, grow up and get real. It's late and I'm going to bed now but I will deal firmly with any further liberal nonsense in the morning.

Pleasant dreams.