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    About the names of the characters in Icebox....


    I do not pick names lightly. I think about them for ages. The names that the characters end up with usually have some significance to me as the writer, though it's not necessariy something that I intend to pass on to the reader.

    So if I say that, for instance, Unity's surname - Siddorn - is derived from an archaic word for 'shroud', and that that's pertinent to her character and function in the novel, I'm not suggesting that I expect any reader to know that, or that it's necessary to know it in order to get the most out of the book. It's just that the name means something to me, and it informs the way I write the character. Because of that, the choice of name doesn't have to be externally justifiable, as it were. I might call a character Basil because the word always reminds me of churches and the character is a vicar - and that completely idiosyncratic reference is enough for my purposes.

    However, in some cases the name is pertinent to the novel in a much more concrete way. The scientist in Icebox, for instance, who promotes cryonic suspension after death is called Gabriel Todd. The surname is an echo of the German 'todt' - so Gabriel Todd is the Angel of Death.

    The character Casey Rushmore invents his own name, just as he invents himself - and his choice is explained in the text.

    Unity Siddorn. As I say, her surname is derived from an old word for 'winding sheet' or 'shroud'. Her first name is a reference to the idea in cosmic physics that there might be a single unifying theory that explains everything. When I started the novel, I thought it was going to deal with a wider range of 'hubristic science' than it actually ended up addressing, so I gave my fearful everywoman scientist a name that encapsulated all that.

    Don Osman got his name simply because it amused me that one so cynical, hedonistic, humanist and profane very nearly shares a name with Donny Osmond. This eventually becomes a plot point - friendless in London, Gabe tracks Don down because he has a memorable name.

    Willie Rabblestack, who is absolutely central to the story, was put in at first only because I knew that later I'd want to introduce his mother, Ma Rabblestack, who had come to me fully formed when I thought of her name. And I thought of her name when I was idly doodling on a notepad during a dull meeting. But for the introduction of a 'c', Ma Rabblestack is an anagram.

    David Jennings, the self-effacing copper (who features much more prominently in Mischief) takes his surname from a former Tottenham Hotspurs soccer player - as do all the policemen in the book. I wanted him to have a very dull, unremarkable name. It's also the name of a schoolboy character I used to like when I was a kid.

    Robert Spleen is so-called simply because I wanted to call his company Splendid, and I worked back facetiously from there. However, this is a good example of name influencing plot. I doubt I would have caused him to develop various cancers of his internal organs had I not given him that name.

    Ellen is a sort of cypher - she's mysterious in a way that allows men to project onto her any ideal they wish - hence the echo of a generic 'elle' and the connection to the Greek Helen. I might insist that I gave her the surname Faustinelli just because I happened to be working in Holland with a woman who had that name. But that would be disingenuous, of course. In a novel, everything that makes it on to the page is there because a decision has been taken - so I must at some level have figured that it fitted her and her role. Where Casey is the agent of chaotic plot in the book, Ellen is the agent of calculated manipulation.
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    Congratulations, MarkBastable, on being a published author. I looked it up and Amazon and there is one copy available, which I will order soon. I also found one review, and the plot does sound intriguing.
    "The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its' own reason for existing." ~ Albert Einstein
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    Quote Originally Posted by qimissung View Post
    Congratulations, MarkBastable, on being a published author. I looked it up and Amazon and there is one copy available, which I will order soon. I also found one review, and the plot does sound intriguing.
    Qimi, I enjoyed reading it. Please don't let the cover dissuade you; this is really one book not to be judged by its cover!
    Quote Originally Posted by MarkBastable View Post
    And I thought of her name when I was idly doodling on a notepad during a dull meeting. But for the introduction of a 'c', Ma Rabblestack is an anagram.
    Good one! I see your meetings are more productive than mine, which only help me develop my 3D-shape repertoire.

    Now that we are talking about characters/names, any favorites?

    Unity or Ellen?
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    The Ellen character was the most puzzling, we never got inside her head as we did with the others, she was just there. By the end she is the main driver of the plot. Why? What are her motivations? We don't know and we never find out. Her surname got me thinking of Dr Faustus (Wrongly) with all the baggage that goes along with that, like playing games of chance for a mans soul (or head). But I was clutching at straws really,
    Her mysteriousness makes her VERY attractive though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prendrelemick View Post
    Both! but the punchline just before the second meeting, must be the longest wait for a punchline in the history of literature.

    (where he remembers being recognised only as the pub singer's brother. I really feel for him at that moment.)
    I'm glad about that. I try to write characters in such a way that the reader has mixed feelings about them - so that none of them are entirely sympathetic or completely unsympathetic. Icebox, for instance, doesn't have a hero or a villain - it doesn't even have a main character in any focussed way. The reader has to decide in whom to invest. In order to make that an unstraightforward choice, it's important that even a jerk like Casey in is portrayed as in some way likeable, or at least understandable.

    Quote Originally Posted by prendrelemick View Post
    As for coincidence in fiction, half the plots ever divised depend on them.
    True - though I think there are conventions concerning what is and what isn't acceptable. More on that later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prendrelemick View Post
    The Ellen character was the most puzzling, we never got inside her head as we did with the others, she was just there. By the end she is the main driver of the plot. Why? What are her motivations? We don't know and we never find out. Her surname got me thinking of Dr Faustus (Wrongly) with all the baggage that goes along with that, like playing games of chance for a mans soul (or head). But I was clutching at straws really,
    Her mysteriousness makes her VERY attractive though.

    Actually, there are two characters* inside whose head we never get - by which I mean, no scenes are written from their point-of-view, so everything we know about them comes through the perceptions of the other characters. One, as you say, is Ellen. And the other is Willie. The difference is that Willie is, as it were, integral to the cast, and Ellen is outside that circle. She's an agent of plot, rather than a part of it. And for that reason, she has to be kept 'clean' of motivation - because if she had any apparent desires or needs, they'd necessarily interact with those of the other characters, so we - the readers - would be obliged to take sides. That would confuse the issue.

    In fact, at various points, both Don and Spleen wonder about Ellen's motives - which, of course simply makes her more intriguing. And, if you remember, when we first meet her, through Don's perceptions of her, we are asked to believe his assessment of her which is sustained for quite some time and which is entirely mistaken. So, from the start, we're aware that she's going to be difficult to fathom.



    *Three, if you count Ma as a main character, which I tend to.
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    The other character I have difficulty with is Casey Rushmore. A Harvard scholarship student, a high powered exec and an idiot. I have met these characters before (Tom Sharpe springs to mind) and always wonder how they got their job and any advancement. We had his back story and everything, but I couldn't see him doing his own break ins.

    On a lighter note.
    Freud would've had a field day with your Ma Rabblestack anagram.
    How can you have Cyril Knowles outranking Pat Jennings and Alan Mullery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by papayahed View Post
    I read the first few pages, I missed a few of the references so i decided to stop until I could get near a computer or dictionary. My first impression is that it's very "English".
    I am not very familiar with the locations either (if that is what you mean). Don't know London well and wondered if the places mentioned had any significances.
    Quote Originally Posted by prendrelemick View Post
    Her surname got me thinking of Dr Faustus (Wrongly) with all the baggage that goes along with that, like playing games of chance for a mans soul (or head). But I was clutching at straws really,
    I also thought of Faustus; because we never get to find her real motives or thoughts and without those, she does not sound like a real person; something lacking (a soul!)
    Her mysteriousness makes her VERY attractive though.
    I did not like her exactly for the very reason.

    And I was rooting for Unity, who sounds more "real" to me... More complete as a character.
    Quote Originally Posted by prendrelemick View Post
    We had his back story and everything, but I couldn't see him doing his own break ins.
    I am not persuaded that someone like him would risk a break-in. Nor am I persuaded with his reasoning for the break-ins. I would have thought he would hire someone or something if he were really desparate.
    How can you have Cyril Knowles outranking Pat Jennings and Alan Mullery?
    The footballer names were lost on me, needless to say (but I say it anyway).
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    The Unity or Ellen choice Don is trying to make is worth a mention. There is no contest for me - Ellen every time, she's sharp witty and beautiful, I'm sure the sex would be up to par. (I mention the sex because Don feels its sex versus cerebral stimulation) It would've been a lot closer had she been a little less attractive.

    But I'm a bloke and understand the draw of Unity- not only the plenty of sex draw. In the end she is vulnerable and needs him, Ellen never will. That is a big draw.

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    Sorry. I've been so busy I appear to have neglected this thread - but I'll be back....


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    What does "Clovered a Ryvita" mean? I know it may be incidental but it's still bugging me.
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    Spread a low fat butter substitute (Clover) on to a low fat crisp bread (Ryvita)

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    Quote Originally Posted by prendrelemick View Post
    Spread a low fat butter substitute (Clover) on to a low fat crisp bread (Ryvita)
    Yeah. In terms of British cultural reference, it implies a lot about her. This is an example of my assertion that everything on the page should be there for a reason. If it just said, 'as she made toast' those four words would convey nothing really - they'd be contextual padding. But 'as she Clovered a Ryvita' tells you not only what she's doing but what kind of person she is to be doing it.

    If the book had sold to the US, I'd've gone through an de-Anglicized the references.

    I shall be back as soon as the pressue of real life lessens somewhat, in order to talk about this issue of coincidence in fiction. I promised I would, and I will.

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    Just got the book off Amazon. I've read a couple of pages - seems an amusing jaunt so far. I'll have to try to catch you up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papayahed View Post
    What does "Clovered a Ryvita" mean? I know it may be incidental but it's still bugging me.
    Clover

    Ryvita

    Haven't tried Clover and didn't know people topped their Ryvita with Clover. Always associate Ryvita with cheese and dips.

    Love the Multiseed Thins

    I had taken the reference as an indication of her trying to eat healthy (as opposed to "buttered crumpets").

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