The Earth is FIXED in Space

[PeterL]

Becca T,

Why do you bother posting here if you've nothing to contribute to this discussion ?

She contributed as much, or more, useful information as you have.

[Musicology]

Really ?

OK, let's test this.

Can you show us some verifiable evidence from any science that the Earth is rotating on its axis once every 24 hours ? Just ONE published, verifiable, scientific study. Even one ?

Can you show us some verifiable evidence from science the Earth is revolving around the Sun every 365 days. Just ONE published, verifiable, scientific study. Even one ?

ALL the verifiable, published, scientific, measured evidence suggests the opposite. Show us differently.

Clock Ticking..... now !!!

She contributed as much, or more, useful information as you have.

[caesar]

Wow! You have managed to keep this thread (topic) alive for 10 days with 377 comments and still counting. That's incredibly impressive Musicology!

I don't know whether you really believe in what you are saying or not, but, the number of comments you have received, certainly gives a valuable insight into human behaviour. I was myself, initially, tempted to put forth an argument. The first argument that came to my mind was: "waaaha, ha, ha, HA, HA" But on second thought, the effort is too impressive to be scoffed at, notwithstanding my convictions.

[Musicology]

Hi there Caesar,

The winner is you Caesar. And me, and everyone else who want these things to be settled in the light of actual, verifiable, published evidence.

'They' can't provide it. They never have. And they never will. Because it doesn't exist. The emperor has no clothes. LOL !!

How great is that ? !!!! Testimony to the fact that, at the end of the day, what is true is true. And what is not is and has always been a counterfeit.

Regards

Wow! You have managed to keep this thread (topic) alive for 10 days with 377 comments and still counting. That's incredibly impressive Musicology!

I don't know whether you really believe in what you are saying or not, but, the number of comments you have received, certainly gives a valuable insight into human behaviour. I was myself, initially, tempted to put forth an argument. The first argument that came to my mind was: "waaaha, ha, ha, HA, HA" But on second thought, the effort is too impressive to be scoffed at, notwithstanding my convictions.

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[Musicology]

The Moderator is completely right.

We welcome ANY verifiable evidence that the Earth is rotating on its axis every day and completes one rotation in that time. We also welcome ANY verifiable evidence the oceans at the equator are moving at more than 1,000 mph. And we welcome ANY verifiable evidence the atmosphere is rotating around 1,000 mph anywhere on Earth.

We also welcome evidence the Earth stops rotating at more than 900 mph for passengers who are travelling between Miami and Los Angeles. And for passengers flying between Los Angeles and Miami.

Regards

[MarkBastable]

Mark Bastable has answered the two following questions -

Q1. Does your model suggest the land of America is rotating from West to East around 900 miles an hour during the 5 hours or so a plane takes to cross from Miami to Los Angeles and during which a plane headed in the opposite direction at the same speed travels on the same course and at the same speed (allowing for headwinds etc) from Los Angeles to Miami ? (A total change by 'rotation' in that time (so we are told) of around 4,500 miles.

ANSWER - YES

and again -

Q2. Do you accept the distance between Miami (Florida) and Los Angeles (California) is around 2348 miles (3778 kilometres) ?

ANSWER - YES

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Great ! So a plane from Miami arrives in Los Angeles in a few hours and a plane from Los Angeles to Miami arrives the next day. If both planes are flying at the same speed. Since the rotation of the Earth makes one flight last many more times than the other.

Glad we sorted that out.

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Now - are you prepared to go to the next stage, where I explain the apparent paradox of the flight-times each way between Miami and Los Angeles on a spinning globe, and you explain the apparent paradox of stars travelling at more than the speed of light in order to get around the earth in twenty-four hours?

In fact, I'll go further than that. If you will explain to me the paradox of stars travelling at more than the speed of light in order to get around the earth in twenty-four hours, I will renounce my belief in the heliocentric universe and sign up to the geocentric model. And I'll do it here, in public, in a post that you can copy and paste as often as you wish.

[Musicology]

Mark,

At the twentieth time of asking, let's just get some firm, verifiable, checkable, published evidence from Science that the Earth is rotating on its axis in the first place. Just one report. One study. One body of measurements that are able to be checked/verified.

Can you provide any ? Just one ? From any scientific source you wish to use. A rather easy question.

And if you can produce it I will believe in a rotating Earth. Rotating around 1,000 mph at the equator. Together with the atmosphere.

See how easy I'm making it ?

Now - are you prepared to go to the next stage, where I explain the apparent paradox of the flight-times each way between Miami and Los Angeles on a spinning globe, and you explain the apparent paradox of stars travelling at more than the speed of light in order to get around the earth in twenty-four hours?

In fact, I'll go further than that. If you will explain to me the paradox of stars travelling at more than the speed of light in order to get around the earth in twenty-four hours, I will renounce my belief in the heliocentric universe and sign up to the geocentric model. And I'll do it here, in public, in a post that you can copy and paste as often as you wish.

[PeterL]

At the twentieth time of asking, let's just get some firm, verifiable, checkable, published evidence from Science that the Earth is rotating on its axis in the first place. Just one report. One study. One body of measurements that are able to be checked/verified.

See how easy I'm making it ?

I. Foucault's Pendulum. One is the Foucault experiment. This was first conducted in 1851, by the Frenchman Léon Foucault. He suspended a heavy iron ball from a 200 ft (61 m) wire, creating a pendulum, from the dome of the Pantheon in Paris. He put sand underneath the pendulum, and placed a pin on the bottom of the ball, so it would leave a mark on its swing from side to side. On each swing, over the course of 24 hours, the mark in the sand would move to the right. The direction in the path showed movement of the earth against the swing of the pendulum.

2)A more modern proof of the rotation is shown by the orbits of artificial satellites. A satellite is launched from the Kennedy Space Center at a 30 degree angle to an orbit 100 mi (161 km) above Earth. Its orbit stays at approximately the same plane in space. If Earth did not rotate, the satellite would pass over Cape Canaveral each time it completed an orbit, but it does not. As it completes the first orbit, it flies over Alabama and over Louisiana on the third. Each time the satellite passes over locations in the United States, it is 1,000 mi (1,609 km) farther to the west. Tracking stations have made this observation with hundreds of satellites.
http://science.jrank.org/pages/2222/...-Rotation.html

See how easy it is to prove.

[Lokasenna]

Mark,

At the twentieth time of asking, let's just get some firm, verifiable, checkable, published evidence from Science that the Earth is rotating on its axis in the first place. Just one report. One study. One body of measurements that are able to be checked/verified.

Can you provide any ? Just one ? From any scientific source you wish to use. A rather easy question.

And if you can produce it I will believe in a rotating Earth. Rotating around 1,000 mph at the equator. Together with the atmosphere.

See how easy I'm making it ?

As well as Peter's excellent examples, I believe I posted something about the abberation of starlight several pages back (which was unanswered) which indicated that you could measure the rotation of the earth around the sun by looking at the degree to which stars 'wobble' over the course of a year.

[The Atheist]

If this goes on much longer, I'll have to mention comets.

Space is not fixed....in reference to WHAT?

Everything in existence above the atomic level.

[MarkBastable]

Mark,

And if you can produce it I will believe in a rotating Earth. Rotating around 1,000 mph at the equator. Together with the atmosphere.

See how easy I'm making it ?

I'm not asking you to believe it. I'm trying to start from a neutral position, unaligned with either model. I'm hoping you'll convince me of the reality of the geocentric model. If you will explain to me the paradox of stars travelling at more than the speed of light in order to get around the earth in twenty-four hours, I'll sign up to the geocentric model. And I'll do it here, in public, in a post that you can copy and paste as often as you wish.

[PeterL]

If this goes on much longer, I'll have to mention comets.

Don't even consider it. that would make too much sense.

[Musicology]

Foucaults Pendulum does NOT prove the Rotation of the Earth. Why do you believe it does ? Because you have assumed from the outset that the Earth is rotating, haven't you ? A completely circular argument. Focaults Pendulum proves no such thing. The Sun is in a moving relationship to the Earth. So is the moon.

Show us some verifiable, proveable evidence of Earth's rotation on its axis in 24 hours. Show us evidence of 1,000 mph oceans. Show us evidence of 1,000mph atmospheric rotation. Show us evidence of the continents revolving on the Earth round in a circle in 24 hours. You cannot do it. Because ALL the data says the very opposite. Ask oceanographers, pilots of planes, geographers, honest men. The data says the Earth stands still and bodies rotate around it. ALL the data says so. NONE disagrees with it. The findings of science are clear, unanimous, unanswerable.

Satellites are themselves in rotation of the Earth. That does not prove the Earth is rotating, does it ?

Gee ! How easy does it get ?

So, where are your 1,000 mph rotating landmasses, atmosphere, and oceans ?

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I. Foucault's Pendulum. One is the Foucault experiment. This was first conducted in 1851, by the Frenchman Léon Foucault. He suspended a heavy iron ball from a 200 ft (61 m) wire, creating a pendulum, from the dome of the Pantheon in Paris. He put sand underneath the pendulum, and placed a pin on the bottom of the ball, so it would leave a mark on its swing from side to side. On each swing, over the course of 24 hours, the mark in the sand would move to the right. The direction in the path showed movement of the earth against the swing of the pendulum.

2)A more modern proof of the rotation is shown by the orbits of artificial satellites. A satellite is launched from the Kennedy Space Center at a 30 degree angle to an orbit 100 mi (161 km) above Earth. Its orbit stays at approximately the same plane in space. If Earth did not rotate, the satellite would pass over Cape Canaveral each time it completed an orbit, but it does not. As it completes the first orbit, it flies over Alabama and over Louisiana on the third. Each time the satellite passes over locations in the United States, it is 1,000 mi (1,609 km) farther to the west. Tracking stations have made this observation with hundreds of satellites.
http://science.jrank.org/pages/2222/...-Rotation.html

See how easy it is to prove.

Mark,

I am not asking you to sign up to a geocentric model. I am asking you to provide ONE, just ONE evidence of oceans moving at 1,000 mph at the equator, of landmasses moving at around 1,000 mph at the equator, and of the Earth's atmosphere moving at around 1,000 mph near the equator. Surely, surely, there are measured, verifiable, reports from science to confirm this.

Can you produce one. Just one ?

I'm not asking you to believe it. I'm trying to start from a neutral position, unaligned with either model. I'm hoping you'll convince me of the reality of the geocentric model. If you will explain to me the paradox of stars travelling at more than the speed of light in order to get around the earth in twenty-four hours, I'll sign up to the geocentric model. And I'll do it here, in public, in a post that you can copy and paste as often as you wish.

[kiki1982]

Show us some verifiable, proveable evidence of Earth's rotation on its axis in 24 hours. Show us evidence of 1,000 mph oceans. Show us evidence of 1,000mph atmospheric rotation. Show us evidence of the continents revolving on the Earth round in a circle in 24 hours. You cannot do it. Because ALL the data says the very opposite. Ask oceanographers, pilots of planes, geographers, honest men. The data says the Earth stands still and bodies rotate around it. ALL the data says so. NONE disagrees with it. The findings of science are clear, unanimous, unanswerable.

By default, there is still this big light thing called the moon in the sky every night which confirms the rotation of the earth and CANNOT MATHEMATICALLY BE THERE if the earth were fixed in space like you claim. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE.

But of course you keep ignoring that, because that is the only thing you cannot possibly deny without ridiculously denying realitiy itself. I wonder wen it is finally going to hit you.

But don't worry I will keep mentioning it until you acknowledge it.