He didn't drink alcohol or smoke either. What does that tell you? I just don't trust people who don't drink or eat meat. Smoking I can give or take. But not drinking or eating meat is just not natural I tell you!Originally Posted by Lokasenna
Oh, and as for Hitler being a vegitarian, I really don't think we can blame his diet for his behaviour - I know plenty of veggies, and not one of them is a mass-murdering nutter with a god-complex! Though, so come quite close...
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After all, I can digest human babies too, but that doesn't make it acceptable behavior.
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Hey everyone! can we please refrain from making this yet another meateater v vegetarian thread and simply let it be a vegetarian thread? Is it really really necessary that any topic created about vegetarianism ends up with comments like these? Some people choose to be vegetarians because it suits them, others because their religious practices indicate they should etc. keep smart comments to yourselves, especially ones that could be seen as insulting to others.
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I've recently made efforts to become a 2/3s vegetarian: Breakfast + lunch = veggie. Dinner = general balance of meat, veggies, starch. So far it's going pretty well.
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meat provides the brain with certain proteins and enzymes that .. without, studies have shown, can lead to bipolar and other mental disorders.
Meat also helps in controlling weight problem. It makes a person feel fuller and eat less.
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I would love to go vegetarian, the only thing standing in my way is the almighty Cheeseburger. I love me some cheesy goodness.
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Alcohol is a poison... didn't you know?He didn't drink alcohol or smoke either. What does that tell you? I just don't trust people who don't drink or eat meat. Smoking I can give or take. But not drinking or eating meat is just not natural I tell you!
Well, it seems inevitable...
There are always a lot of "It has been proven," comments... one thing it has been proven is that when people get emotional, then they do not use the analyzing part of their brain anymore - so hopefully it won't get like that. But there are some simple facts which should actually really gross anyone out who thinks about them and still eats those things. Like what I mentioned before - when we humans eat beef, it begins to decompose before we are finished digesting it. Just consider that long and carefully, that whenever you do that, you have the decomposing dead body of an animal inside you, in your colon.
Well, that is one reason. Another is the insane inhumanity of slaughterhouses and factory farms. Chickens which are kept in cages smaller than 1 ft x 1 ft, and fed so much that they cannot walk. Cows which are injected with hormones which actually kill all the muscle tissue around the place where they are shot. Pigs that are kept in gestation crates, where they are unable to move, stand up, or anything, for 24 hours a day.
So where is the humanity there? Why is it that animals are slaughtered? Christians who support this will give you scripture, but I don't think they even know what is going on.
So I seriously, with dead seriousness, propose that at least vegetarians and non-vegetarians with care at least for the inhumanly way animals are treated in factory farms and slaughterhouses at least band together to outlaw them! I am just now reading a wonderful book, Black Elk Speaks, and when he speaks of the hunters 'making-meat' in terms of going on a hunt for buffalo, this is not an un-spiritual thing.
But let us please try to improve the standards around here, and stop those slaughterhouses and factory farms. I would say, best to buy food from local farmers, or hunters, or places where they get their meat from those sources, etc. - rather than from any fast food place, or even any grocery story or restaurant. Just an idea and if you think the premise is good but implementation needs work, then please apply yourself to the problem. But at least be aware there is a problem.
One supporting analogy for my idea - to 'boycott' the places where the meat is almost surely to come from factory farms and slaughterhouses - I will steal from a friend who is a vegetarian... it's like if you see 8 big guys beating up on a little child, you may not be able to stop them, but at least you don't have to join in.
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Oh, Jonathan Swift begs to differ!After all, I can digest human babies too, but that doesn't make it acceptable behavior
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I was a veg for about a year and a half until I just started eating meat again. I've kind of forgotten why.
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[QUOTE=Radha Krsna;810844] I just wanted to invite you for a vegetarian to love other living creatures.
I certainly hope you're not suggesting that because one consumes meat, one does not love the animals.
Actually, the length of the colon is only important relative to the length of the small intestine (and the functionality of the caecum for some animals). Tigers are exclusive carnivores, with much longer small intestines relative to their colons. Humans have a longer small intestine than colon, though their digestive enzymes vary from cats. Herbivores (or vegetarians, if you wish) typically have large colons and functional caeca. This is because plant-based matter is broken down and nutrient absorption occurs in the colon, while most animal-based matter is digested in the small intestine. So really, our body is perfectly designed for omnivorous eating habits.
That's the whole point of digestion. Were our food not decomposed before it was expelled, no nutrient absorption would occur and we would not survive.When a human eats beef, it begins to decompose before it leaves the body.
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Goodness gracious, another vegetarian thread. Humans were designed to eat meat. It's quite unnatural not to.
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"That's the whole point of digestion. Were our food not decomposed before it was expelled, no nutrient absorption would occur and we would not survive."
You may be right. I had only heard it and I am not too keen on doing too much research to find out references, so I concede that.
However there is no possible justification for the way animals are treated in factory farms. The only way people should ever consume animals is if the animals are given a natural and possibly fulfilling life, either in nature or in a healthy environment.
Virgil what about what goes on behind the doors of factory farms? There is no naturalness to it. I won't repeat my list of grievances, but I hope you will know I am not making it up.
Again, I will say, the way the Natives used to eat, that was natural - our system is not. Find out for yourself. It does matter, and it is important.
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