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Last edited by sam96; 03-27-2007 at 09:20 PM.
You know, it's sad. Women used to be the more decent sex. It was to their credit. They held society in check. I too see this as a very negative development.Originally Posted by Shalot
There is a new book out now that I started reading (I haven't finished it yet because school and work get in the way) but it's called Female Chauvinist Pigs: Women and the Rise of Raunch Culture. The author is Ariel Levy and she talks about this very thing --- pop stars/movie stars wearing "soft-porn" styles, and 12-year old girls wearing low-rise tight fitting jeans and tee-shirts with the playboy bunny logo on them. You can actually go into the junior department/store (that is, the department that stocks clothes for teenage girls in case anyone was wondering) and buy a Playboy T-shirt.
Apparently, dressing like that is all part of the new feminism. To quote the book, "If Male Chauvinist Pigs were men who regarded women as pieces of meat, we would outdo them and be Female Chauvinist Pigs: women who make sex objects of other women and of ourselves."
And it's no longer cool for women to get all bothered about women and little girls traipsing around in their coin slot jeans and tight t-shirts etc. To quote the book further, "What is cool is for women to take a guy's eye view of pop culture in general and live nude girls in particular."
So, to the original poster, get with the program! Go get some make-up tight jeans and a few blow-pops and go to the mall!
LET THERE BE LIGHT
"Love follows knowledge." – St. Catherine of Siena
My literature blog: http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/
But isn't that what men want?
Honestly, I don't know what to think about it. All I know is that I looked up one day and saw a bunch of little girls dressing like sluts while Britney Spears and that other one (Christina Simpson maybe?) were making music videos with snakes, wearing chaps in a boxing ring rolling around in the mud. Lucky for me, I missed the slut-chic fashion phase. I am a 90's girl --- we wore long flowing sack like dresses and Doc Martin boots or other orthopedic looking shoes. How hot is that?
"...if you weren't smart enough to get a pedophile in a dress to put a small amount of water on the child’s forehead, then what the eff did you think was going to happen?
Only if you are planning to date an orthopedist!
I think this has become an 'issue' in the UK since the 1990s. Many point at the popularity of Spice Girls as the beginning; they introduced a new brand of 'girl power', which encouraged young girls to behave more freely compared to their male counterparts: They drink more, have more random affairs and dress to ensure that you know their 'intentions'. This new 'breed' of girls, I believe, are called 'ladettes' (meaning they act like 'lads').
Surprise, surprise! There is even a small entry on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladette
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"It is not that I am mad; it is only that my head is different from yours.”
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yep, that's exactly the point.. if an 18 y/o girl decides (or maybe even 16) decides she wants to wear f*me pumps or high heels, that's fine with me, but we're talking about 10/11/12 year old kids, Uncle Virgil...
by the way, i don't think they just imitate their fave celebrities without intending to be sexy. my neighbour's girl (around 10 y/o) put on lipstick, dye their hair and do sexy dances.. I've overheard them saying things like "Ooooh, I look so sexy"... and they are otherwise really bright kids....
i mean, it's got to start early, otherwise how do you explain that by age 14 they go to boy bands' concerts where they strip half naked (i mean, completely naked in the upper part of their body, i.e. wagging their b**bs at the singers) and wave cardboard signs saying "Please, f**** me" "I want to lose my virginity with you"... seriously I'm not exaggerating this is happening over here, it's been in all the papers including the quality ones...
That's what some men may want. Immature men who don't know what's good for them.
All I can say is wow. There were rock groupies when I was growing up too. Perhaps it is more wide spread. At some point one has to blame the parents.
LET THERE BE LIGHT
"Love follows knowledge." – St. Catherine of Siena
My literature blog: http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/
yep, over here the parents often come along to the concerts of this particular band (Tokyo Hotel) because the girls are too young to go on their own, so it's all happening right under their noses!
i think one aspect of the problem is that parents don't realize that a) kids need some guidance and b) they as parents are supposed to and able to influence their children's development...
i've heard loads of parents saying "Well, that's what he/she's like." as if their child was already fully developed and couldn't changer her/his behaviour... and those were not poor, uneducated, single mums or something but rich, well-educated people!!!!
Kids make choices all the time, whether they are informed or not is another matter altogether and this is where parents, elders, media and peers step-in.Children cannot make their own choices. Esp not regarding this topic.Undeniably, and as I said earlier, it's their choice and they alone will have to reap the consequences, good or bad.
I’m not talking about children wanting to wear their blue shoes instead of the red ones, or what ice cream to get. I’m talking about this issue/topic.
Children are not capable of making the right choices.
Parents and adults need to step in there.
You wouldn’t give a kid a loaded gun and say “Here, this is yours. Just don’t hurt anyone. Maybe go put it in your drawer.” Now would you?
I’m sure the kid would make the choice to be careful, and maybe put it away. But things happen you know. It is after all only a kid. You can’t expect it to think right always.
A hundred different things could go wrong with giving the kid that gun, just like a hundred things can go wrong with giving kids the freedom they have today.
Note: I’m not talking about kids over the age of 15/16. I’m talking about anyone under 14, or even 15. Some of the things may seem unlikely to the older ages, but it could defiantly happen in the younger ones.
1) The kid could accidentally hurt someone, or themselves.
1.1) Lets say his friends come over, and they all have these silly little BB guns, but little Johnny has the real thing. He must be thinking how cool he must seem with a real live gun. And now they all want to play with it.
So they play cops and robbers. Johnny is the cop, and his friends are the robbers. Johnny see’s Billy, and takes a shot at him, obviously not thinking clearly, and what do we have? Billy ends up in the hospital, or even dead.
1.2) Same scenario. Johnny’s friends come over; they all want to play with it. Remember the gun was loaded? Tommy was looking in the front, in that hole thingy, and pulled the trigger. Woops, no more Tommy.
2) Kids have tantrums all the time. If they don’t get their own way, they throw huge tantrums.
2.1) Johnny wants ice cream after supper, but mommy says no. After a while of arguing, Johnny remembers his new “toy”. He could try threaten his mother. And as silly as it seems, it is possible. And with a young kid, accidents could easily happen.
2.2) He decides to take his gun to school one day, and on that particular day he happens to get in a fight. He could possibly use the gun against the other boy. This type of thing happens all the time. He could also just want to threaten the guy. But again, accidents happen.
3) Life could just not be working out for Johnny. (I’m referring to the older ages now)
3.1) He could have just had a huge fight with his parents. Suicide goes through a lot of people’s heads. He has a gun in his drawer. It could be just a spur of the moment thing, or something he has been wanting to do for a while. Either way the out come is the same.
And there is a hell of a lot more things that could happen.
It might look like I have gone seriously off topic, but I have a point.
If you think about it, this is just like giving kids too much freedom, like a lot of parents do. Without proper guidance, you can’t expect a kid to come out right, when you’ve given them anything they want, and all the freedom they want.
I have a friend, she is an amazing person. But she has gone way off the rails. All because her parents have given her ANYTHING she wants, and lets her do WHATEVER she wants. She is 16. Her life is basically messed up. Unless she makes an effort to fix it, but I’m telling you now, she won’t.
Anyway, her parents will let her go to the coast for the weekend with N$3000, hell even more, to do what ever she likes.
She’s been suspended from school I don’t know how many times. Expelled from a few too I think. She never went to school anyway.
I mean... Hello? And they wonder why she’s so.. Well her.
I could get into all the things she is, but it would be kind of wrong.
So there you go another perfect example of what happens with to much freedom.
And the sad thing is that she really is a wonderful person, and a really bright person to. She’s not stupid at all. She’s just gone off the rails way to far.
No-one sees the color of your eyes. No-one sees you smile. No-one knows the secrets that you hide. No-one sees you cry.
The word 'slut' shouldn't be an insult - I fully support anyone who wears that as a badge of honour.
Why were they the more 'decent' sex? How can anyone even determine such a subjective thing without sweeping with strokes that would cover the whole earth!You know, it's sad. Women used to be the more decent sex. It was to their credit. They held society in check. I too see this as a very negative development.
Did you ever think that this may actually be the way she wants to live her life?And the sad thing is that she really is a wonderful person, and a really bright person to. She’s not stupid at all. She’s just gone off the rails way to far.
I wasn't aware the Spice Girls actually spawned a lasting philosophy. What's the world coming to?Only if you are planning to date an orthopedist!
I think this has become an 'issue' in the UK since the 1990s. Many point at the popularity of Spice Girls as the beginning; they introduced a new brand of 'girl power', which encouraged young girls to behave more freely compared to their male counterparts: They drink more, have more random affairs and dress to ensure that you know their 'intentions'. This new 'breed' of girls, I believe, are called 'ladettes' (meaning they act like 'lads').
Surprise, surprise! There is even a small entry on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladette
"And the worms, they will climb
The rugged ladder of your spine"
"Did you ever think that this may actually be the way she wants to live her life?"
That would be the most idiotic thing EVER. Not you asking, but someone wanting to live the way she does.
And no, I wouldnt have to think that. Because its not true. She is seriously depressed. I mean.. Ugh, you have no idea how she is. She's been in and out of rehab only a million times. She has a real bad SI problem. Her scars are.. unbelievable. If you knew her, you would know exactly what I mean.
No-one sees the color of your eyes. No-one sees you smile. No-one knows the secrets that you hide. No-one sees you cry.
I saw some t-shirts for sale at the mall that said SLUT in black bold jagged letters.
"...if you weren't smart enough to get a pedophile in a dress to put a small amount of water on the child’s forehead, then what the eff did you think was going to happen?
That is appalling. I can't beleive anyone would want to be associated as such.
Are you serious?
I think most people would acknowledge that. And if not, then it is my opinion. I think men are more likely to take part in dysfunctional behavior. Or at least they were.Why were they the more 'decent' sex? How can anyone even determine such a subjective thing without sweeping with strokes that would cover the whole earth!
LET THERE BE LIGHT
"Love follows knowledge." – St. Catherine of Siena
My literature blog: http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/
*Resists urge to throw furniture*
No, it is absolutely not part of the new feminism. It is, in fact, anti-feminist backlash. Feminism takes a lot of heat for various developments, and maybe it deserves some of it, but I have never ever heard anybody calling themselves a feminist say that dressing that way is desireable, empowerful or in any way feminist. In fact, in my experience, the women who dress like that are the ones will absolutely insist that they are not feminists, that they never will be feminists, and that feminsits are a bunch of adrogynous, combat-boot wearing, misandrist, satanist baby-killers. Actual feminists are the first to complain about modern beauty culture, and the sexual objectification inherent therein.
I will see your Female Chauvanist Pigs, and raise you The Beauty Myth by Naomi Wolf, a very long critique of this very problem and others inherent in beauty culture.
Sorry about the rant, and I can certainly understand why you would think that, but that gets me a bit angry.
Hi, by the way. It's been quite a while since I've been here, I know, but reality intruded. It's certainly nice to see you all again.
What is the use of a violent kind of delightfulness if there is no pleasure in not getting tired of it.
- Gertrude Stein
A washerwoman with her basket; a rook; a red-hot poker; th purples and grey-greens of flowers: some common feeling which held the whole together.
- Virginia Woolf
heehee, don't be too harsh on ShalotI actually know one or two anti-feminist backlashers who call their way of dressing 'feminist'. they seem to think displaying their 'sexy' body is empowering (of course it is in a certain way: it intimidates other girls, esp. those who want to be 'sexy' but feel they're ugly/fat/etc and it attracts men, so those ladies do have a certain power). what they don't get is that not all kinds of power=feminism. maybe that's what the title of the book refers to??? because basically, they behave like macho men, enforcing their body on everyone, creating a strong physical presence etc????
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