It's interesting that news readers often refer to those mentioned as Tony Blair, John Major or David Cameron but usually say Mrs in relation to Margaret Thatcher although her surname is sometimes used adjectivally as in 'Thatcherite policies' for example. I don't think she would have recognised the word sexist.Originally Posted by Scheherazade
"L'art de la statistique est de tirer des conclusions erronèes a partir de chiffres exacts." Napoléon Bonaparte.
"Je crois que beaucoup de gens sont dans cet état d’esprit: au fond, ils ne sentent pas concernés par l’Histoire. Mais pourtant, de temps à autre, l’Histoire pose sa main sur eux." Michel Houellebecq.
Though she was a feminist icon, she reportedly said "I hate feminism - it is poison." I think that is partly why she insisted on "Mrs" Thatcher.
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She was usually referred to as Mrs Thatcher, Margaret Thatcher or Maggie Thatcher at the time she was prime minister. She was usually referred to as Mrs Thatcher by newscasters and television presenters, but often as Maggie Thatcher by the public, although probably more by her detractors.
It's sometimes difficult to remember that after she left office she took the title Baroness, so should formally have been referred to as Baroness Thatcher or Lady Thatcher. Baroness is a hereditary title, although passed on down the male line. I was reminded of that when I read Mark Thatcher referred to as Sir Mark Thatcher, as he would be now. I don't suppose that is going to go down very well with the general public neither. Mark Thatcher is a very contentious figure. It was suspected he made himself a millionaire as a middleman for a Tornado jet bomber contract with Saudi Arabia. Later he was involved in a mercenary venture to overthrow an African state.
According to Aldous Huxley, D.H. Lawrence once said that Balzac was 'a gigantic dwarf', and in a sense the same is true of Dickens.
Charles Dickens, by George Orwell
It's ironic that 'feminists' are not infrequently the least feminine women imaginable. One that I had dealings with at work was unprepossessing and full of self loathing, while another, although less physically unattractive, had a voice like a foghorn and played the saxophone. I never went along with the idea that Mrs Thatcher was particularly attractive but she was always well dressed, albeit in a matronly way, and I couldn't imagine her playing the saxophone although perhaps she did, who knows what went on behind closed doors?
"L'art de la statistique est de tirer des conclusions erronèes a partir de chiffres exacts." Napoléon Bonaparte.
"Je crois que beaucoup de gens sont dans cet état d’esprit: au fond, ils ne sentent pas concernés par l’Histoire. Mais pourtant, de temps à autre, l’Histoire pose sa main sur eux." Michel Houellebecq.
No wonder you enjoyed reading Maugham!
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"It is not that I am mad; it is only that my head is different from yours.”
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"L'art de la statistique est de tirer des conclusions erronèes a partir de chiffres exacts." Napoléon Bonaparte.
"Je crois que beaucoup de gens sont dans cet état d’esprit: au fond, ils ne sentent pas concernés par l’Histoire. Mais pourtant, de temps à autre, l’Histoire pose sa main sur eux." Michel Houellebecq.
Margaret hated feminism because the need for it sprung from a sick society. She was born female. Wasn't that enough?
I would say quite the reverse feminism disliked her because there was nothing feminine about her. Don't forget she was a peasant girl at heart. Peasantry and cities do not quite mix and as a result you get someone like her who have not quite a grasp of how modern societies link up with secular and therefore the destructive element about her was because she did not have a grasp of how and what makes societies tick.
I would say someone in her position came saw and conquered but also destroyed and uprooted evil from its own grief. The worse ever to happen to the UK. That is my opinion. She was devisive and still is and tories and labour will suffer as a consequence of it because they saw something in her they could not quite get and yet revere her. That is shocking and it will cost them their politics.
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it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
"L'art de la statistique est de tirer des conclusions erronèes a partir de chiffres exacts." Napoléon Bonaparte.
"Je crois que beaucoup de gens sont dans cet état d’esprit: au fond, ils ne sentent pas concernés par l’Histoire. Mais pourtant, de temps à autre, l’Histoire pose sa main sur eux." Michel Houellebecq.
Why are you laughing?
Margaret's father used to own two grocery shops. Her parentage is from the shires her root are deep seated in peasantry. Farmers is another word for it. She is no middle class she is from working class background. Research if you do not believe.
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
I believe he's laughing because, while she may come from a "peasant" (ugh) family, calling her a peasant girl at heart implies that she was innocent, naive, and perhaps simple. None of which describes Mrs. Thatcher. At all.
I'm weary with right-angles, abbreviated daylight,
Waiting for a winter to be done.
Why do I still see you in every mirrored window,
In all that I could never overcome?
Ah I got it now. I did not realise that is what it meant.
Maggie was a peasant girl through and through and her entourage getting mixed up with city scapes got to her head a bit hence the shambles of her policies.
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
Hang on a minute Emil, there are parallels with Joan of Arc here. A simple peasent girl, chosen by destiny to free her country from the grip of the tyrannous left, only to be betrayed by her own side at the moment of victory, and sacrificed for a weak and weedy John Major.
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Yes I remember her first day in office, she turned up at 10 Downing Street with a milk churn and a milking stool.
Joan of Arc? I do not believe she existed. I doubt very much her story is real. She is as fictional as Robin Hood but then I might completely wrong so feel free to take it apart.
Maggie however was no no simple but more a complex stoic with no denouement if I may say so. Very randy and ferocious. I would not want to cross another like her again. Let's keep farmers to their lands it is best kept that way and fair. City is bad air for peasants.
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
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