:lol: Yes it's a little club I've got going again. It's a tight squeeze in there with three bikes and a lawn mower though, but we keep going back for more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emil Miller
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:lol: Yes it's a little club I've got going again. It's a tight squeeze in there with three bikes and a lawn mower though, but we keep going back for more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emil Miller
Well it was either that or a quiet night at Witherspoons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
This thread has been interesting reading. I like to consider myself pretty liberal and freedom-loving, but the ridiculous extremes some folks will go to justify baldly harmful behavior in the name of "I'm okay, you're okay, we're all okay" is unbelievable. Endorphins? Give me a break. Endorphins help you cope with pain and help alleviate depression, but they don't eliminate either. You can go out in the sun for much the same effect. The pain is the point, and to inflict pain and damage on oneself in response to stress or unhappiness is not natural, and it's not right.
In the case of adults, you can't do much except express concern and suggest alternatives or points of help. Children, however, are a different story. Any animal hearing a cry for help from its child will rush to its aid. To rationalize ignoring a cry for help and allowing a child to harm him/herself is to violate a basic law of nature. Parents who are ruled by that level of cowardice have no business being parents.
What people do to their own bodies is really quite up to them, as is their sexual preferences, so long as they are not inflicting it on unwilling people.
What is clear is that the wish to declare/ discuss/ exhibit such predispositions is another form of egotism. The chap with the knife nostrils is just saying look at me. Tattoos, piercings, self mutilation, (except that associated with mental health issues), - so what? It's been done before in tribes, and.
http://dontstandtheregawping.blogspo.../piercing.html
http://www.matses.info/photos/Matses-008-Piercings.html
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Got it in one, except that many people find showing off to be childish and demeaning. The 'look at me' attitude is said to be 'making a statement.' But when the statement is' 'Look what an attention seeking exhibitionist I am,' others are bound to draw their own conclusions no matter what the exhibitionists would like them to think.Quote:
What is clear is that the wish to declare/ discuss/ exhibit such predispositions is another form of egotism. The chap with the knife nostrils is just saying look at me. Tattoos, piercings, self mutilation, (except that associated with mental health issues), - so what?
I was bringing it up as a point of discussion Alex. I'd you read my post, NO WHERE do I claim it should or should not be allowed. You have a habit of jumping to conclusions. You need to work on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander III
And, I do believe that numbskull has every right to do what he likes, as do any of the weirdoes that pop up when you do a Google image search of "body modification."
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Originally Posted by Emil Miller
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Originally Posted by Neely
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Originally Posted by smerdyakov
I'm sorry, but I am ROTFL here. I can't help it, if you look closely at these posts you will probably find the humor too, or maybe I am "off" a bit. And, btw, surgeons, at least in my country, don't cut off limbs for no apparent reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf
JuniperWolf, I don't know if you realize how funny you are. I love your "as longs as they aren't running around cutting other people without permission".
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You're right, they aren't the same: the difference between damaging your internal organs with poison and damaging your external organ with a controlled (not suicide intended!) blade is that damaging your internal organs is more more likely to kill you. Their skin can take it, it's much better at healing itself than your liver (although your liver is very good at healing itself too, just not as good as skin - this is what skin was built for, before our kushy post-industrial lifestyle we evolved in situations under which we were opened up daily).Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
Really I don't care what you say one way or the other (and I'll tell you why in a minute), but you really should simply tolerate the existance of sadomasochism and I still can't believe that you haven't come to that conclusion on your own. It should be obvious that you'll never change anyone's sexual tendancies to suit you, you'll just make people think less of you because they feel that you're looking down on others when it's clearly not your right to do so. You're not affecting the behaviour of the people you scoff at in the slightest, you're only making people feel sympathetic towards masochists for having to deal with such closed-mindedness in the first place (which is exactly why I don't care if you're closed minded - you're simply helping the people you're trying to repress). You're also just managing to cause yourself grief by getting worked up over the consentual acts of adults which is entirely permitted and really has nothing at all to do with you. Expressing contempt is, in this case, illogical and entirely useless behaviour, not to mention counter-productive as it is only likely to bring contempt onto you for the whole "I know best" routine (and this has already been demonstrated by other posters on this thread, excluding Emil who I think would agree with just about anything to take a few cheap shots at the people he doesn't like).
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Originally Posted by KCurtis
I don't think all piercings, tattoos, and other forms of body modification can just be chalked up to a "look at me attitude." They're just another form of self-expression, and tattoos can be quite beautiful and artistic. If tattoos and piercing are just a way to grab attention and nothing more, I guess pretty much all art is.
And, what's it matter if it's been done before? Since when has that been a valid reason not to do something?
Originally Posted by Neely
Yes because having a few quiet pints is obviously the same thing as slashing yourself with a razor blade or putting knives through your nose! What a hypocrite I am!
:lurk5::lol:Oh my lord, I don’t know where to start here, it’s really unbelievable! The best bits, in my opinion are:Quote:
You're right, they aren't the same: the difference between damaging your internal organs with poison and damaging your external organ with a controlled (not suicide intended!) blade is that damaging your internal organs is more more likely to kill you. Their skin can take it, it's much better at healing itself than your liver (although your liver is very good at healing itself too, just not as good as skin - this is what skin was built for, before our kushy post-industrial lifestyle we evolved in situations under which we were opened up daily).
Really I don't care what you say one way or the other (and I'll tell you why in a minute), but you really should simply tolerate the existance of sadomasochism and I still can't believe that you haven't come to that conclusion on your own. It should be obvious that you'll never change anyone's sexual tendancies to suit you, you'll just make people think less of you because they feel that you're looking down on others when it's clearly not your right to do so. You're not affecting the behaviour of the people you scoff at in the slightest, you're only making people feel sympathetic towards masochists for having to deal with such closed-mindedness in the first place (which is exactly why I don't care if you're closed minded - you're simply helping the people you're trying to repress). You're also just managing to cause yourself grief by getting worked up over the consentual acts of adults which is entirely permitted and really has nothing at all to do with you. Expressing contempt is, in this case, illogical and entirely useless behaviour, not to mention counter-productive as it is only likely to bring contempt onto you for the whole "I know best" routine (and this has already been demonstrated by other posters on this thread, excluding Emil who I think would agree with just about anything to take a few cheap shots at the people he doesn't like).
1 The use of the word “controlled” as in controlled slashing yourself with a razor blade, or controlled burnings etc, brilliant.
2 The parenthesis including the exclamation mark in “(not suicide intended!) super.
3Again brilliant, I never thought anyone would say that to me – not a sentence you come across in day-to-day life, I'll not unpack that one, leave it as it is.Quote:
“You should simply tolerate the existence of sadomasochism”
4 The mere implication that opening your skin with razors is the preferred option over having a pint or two of beer or a bottle of wine. Crazy.
5 Another good parenthesis in “(and I’ll tell you why in a minute)” this adds tension!
6 Incredulity that I haven’t come to the same conclusion as you – why on earth would I, I don’t know?
7What the hell? Who said anything about that, ever?Quote:
“It should be obvious that you’ll never change anyone’s sexual tendancies…”
8I’m not looking down on anyone, I’m merely pointing out that it is a crackpot thing to do, that’s all, giving my opinion as the OP asked – or should I lie and say “yes it might be meditative, I might take it up, pass me the Stanley knife?” I’m giving my opinion which I’m pretty sure in this case is the mainstream voice anyway, not an usual opinion that is.Quote:
Looking down on others.
9Brilliant. But I don’t care, I’m giving my, obviously strange, opinion that slashing yourself with razors is not really a good idea!Quote:
“You're only making people feel sympathetic towards masochists for having to deal with such closed-mindedness…”
10 Causing myself grief by getting worked up.
I appreciate that you are worried about my health and thank you for that, but I am not getting worked up at all – this is classic stuff!
11Just giving my opinion, I’m not trying to “convert” people into not slashing open themselves, I’m just giving my opinion.Quote:
“Expressing contempt is, in this case, illogical and entirely useless behaviour…”
12 The "I know best" routine.
Well, maybe I’m wrong then in this case, maybe we should encourage people to slice holes in themselves or to rip out their eyes, or whatever it is you’re supporting this time? Crazy.
Also, you wouldn't be so quick to support skin slicing if you got an infection from it, I can tell you. Having just recovered from an infection I got while shaving the whole experience has not been fun, I've been ill on and off for a month. I can't remember feeling as badly in my life. I suppose you would argue that "cutters" take precautions and carry TCP around with them or something. Really, it's all just too silly for words!
Neely... give it up. By now you surely have recognized that Juniper is about as rational as one of those rabid grizzly bears and she's only in this dispute in a vain attempt to prove her credentials among the Alpha Males (gender confusion being rampant in rural Canada).:smilewinkgrin:
While Neely is probably as liberal as I in our beliefs with regard to allowing others to live their lives as they wish (as long as their behavior doesn't impinge on the rights of others) he does have certain responsibilities as a teacher to report behavior such as self-mutilation and threats of suicide. But then again... I suppose as suicide doesn't impinge of the rights of anyone else we shouldn't be the least concerned about that either. Live and let die.
There are cultural traditions involving what others might term "self mutilation" or "body alteration". These certainly include tattoos, scarification, piercings, etc... These are different from slicing one's wrist with a razor and any person in a professional position (teachers, councilors, nurses, doctors, therapists, etc... as well as parents) could (and likely would) be held legally responsible for not reporting such behavior which is commonly associated with extreme depression, mental illness, and suicidal tendencies.
The comparison of pathological behaviors with having a pint of two of beer is beyond all rational thinking. It belongs in the world of idealized fantasy and not the real world in which most of us live. Certainly, extreme alcoholism or drug abuse are just as self-destructive... and as a result society makes attempts to counter these behaviors... largely because it is recognized that such self destructive behavior hurts others... and even society as a whole ($$$). But I suppose that is irrelevant when you live in a third-world cattle town. Then I guess live and let die is the mottoe embraced by all... not Donne's
No man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.
Because you naturaly know what is better for a person than themselves, and their body is not their own afterall, it belongs to society, to the nation. It is not their body, it is societies - so society must protect it assests and create strict regulations to protect people from themselves. Because people are stupid...except the people who make the rules, they are clever. Always.Quote:
Originally Posted by stlukesguild
I don't think it is appropriate to conflate sadomasochism and self-harm, as has been done throughout this thread.
Self-harm is done as a form of coping by people suffering from anxiety disorders or depression, it is not something they "enjoy" but is a compulsive behaviour most of them would rather not engage in. It is usually a hidden behaviour accompanied by issues of shame and the underlining causes of whatever produces the desire to self-harm.
S&M as a sexual practice is completely different, it tends to be a social activity. It is engaged in with the precise intent of producing some sort of sexual arousal. It rarely involves something like cutting. Moreover, it is usually practised in a controlled environment between consenting adults. S&M is not considered to be a sign of any mental health issues, and minor forms of it tend to permeate throughout a lot of people's sexual habits and play.
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Also in some parts of the US it would seem.:biggrin5:Quote:
Neely... give it up. By now you surely have recognized that Juniper is about as rational as one of those rabid grizzly bears and she's only in this dispute in a vain attempt to prove her credentials among the Alpha Males (gender confusion being rampant in rural Canada).:smilewinkgrin:
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:iagree: Thanks for making the distinction Pip.Quote:
Originally Posted by OrphanPip
Neely... give it up. By now you surely have recognized that Juniper is about as rational as one of those rabid grizzly bears and she's only in this dispute in a vain attempt to prove her credentials among the Alpha Males (gender confusion being rampant in rural Canada).
I don't think grizzly bears get rabies.
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I guess I'll have to find that picture of a big straw man again. . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander III
THANK YOU. I thought I've made that clear, but I guess I haven't. People aren't making distinctions about what they're talking about. I. Sorry, but if anyone really thinks that cutting oneself is an okay coping technique for dealing with depression or other psychological issues . . . sorry, I don't see how anyone could find that logical.Quote:
Originally Posted by OrphanPip
As to S&M, who cares?
Well these are the questions at the thread starter, which is what I was originally responding to:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi
No mention of sex incidentally. I'm not saying that you should only stick to the OP, as conversation is not like that, and I'm the worst culprit for going off topic, but this is what I originally responded to regardless. Should self-mutilation be considered healthy, somewhat meditating?Quote:
Is self-mutilation a form of body modification? And can or should it be considered a healthy, somewhat meditating, form of retaining more dangerous outlets of negative mental states from manifesting?
A resounding no on my part. Controversial it seems?! :crazy:
[QUOTE=Emil Miller;1115620]:lol::lol::lol::lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by stlukesguild
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Originally Posted by Emil Miller
I feel offended. Dragging politics into this. Also Palin doesn't' spit venom with the demeanor of a junkyard dog.
Dragging politics into things is what Emil does.
It's especially annoying to get that kind of judgmental commentary from someone from another country. They don't even live here. How do they know what our issues are and which politicians are not right for the job.
To get back on topic I wonder if he's got Obama's tattoo or tattoos of Palin's opponents.
Ahhh, the nauseating condescention. Never gets old and it's always such an effective tactic of debate.*Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
Like Pip said, there's a difference between self injury, hurting oneself because of overwhelming psychological stress which in many cases leads to suicide, and sadomasochism, hurting oneself or one’s partner for sexual gratification. That was the distincion I was making in parentheses. An obvious difference, and to imply that they're the same thing as you've been doing is offensive to both people with psychological illnesses and people who just-so-happen to have a sadomasochism fetish which, by the way, isn't even obscure anymore. Come on, this has to be willful ignorance, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
Tell me why, because that's what you do? Sorry, human morality doesn't operate with the slogan "What Would Neely Do?" in mind. You don't know best. You're just some random middle-aged man living in England. What's "normal" for you means absolutely nothing to anybody who isn't you, and THAT'S what I can't believe you haven't realized yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
Because it makes more sense and is also reflected in almost all countries' laws and social norms including your own? There's nothing in the law to reflect that there's something abnormal, wrong or "crazy" about sadomasochism, nor should there be. Nor is sadomasochims particularly frowned upon by popular society or the media, everyone's aware of it and NO ONE cares (except religious people sometimes, but that's normal). Why should consentual adults not be allowed to do what they want in there own bedrooms without you (metaphorically) spitting on them? Would you like people to start spitting on you for the way you live your personal life? Maybe I'll start, I've certainly gotten my fair share of the same treatment from you this month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
I did, just there. See? You quoted it. I was trying to find the reason for you being such a condescending douche. It can't be because you're trying to make friends, so it must be because you're trying to change other people to suit you. Following that train of thought I pointed out that you can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
Whiiiich iiiis looking down on people. Here, I'll demonstrate:Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
You drink? Are you serious? What psychotic spark in your little brain would inspire you to engage in purposely drinking poison for the sake of a little giddyness and blurred vision? That's sick, what's wrong with you? Your body is obviously telling you that it doesn't want to be poisoned when you wake up the next morning vomiting. That's absolutely disgusting and patently insane. I'm not looking down on you, though, I'm simply sharing my opinion that you should be engaging in the self-harming recreational behaviour that I engage in because it's better than what you do, on accounta I say so (although the results of my self-harming recreational behaviour are far more detrimental to my health than yours).
Hint: that's exactly what you sound like.
Neither is drinking. Until now, has anyone sounded off on you about how "crazy" you are or tried to make you feel like there's something seriously wrong with you for doing so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
And that "opinion" was condescending and hypocritical, ergo the responses you've gotten. Maybe every time you mention drinking in a random thread, I'll chime in with my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
It's not about insighting people towards self harm, it's about shutting the **** up about something that has nothing to do with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
A List of Diseases Associated With AlcoholismQuote:
Originally Posted by Neely
Cancer
Increased rates of tongue, lip, larynx, stomach, colon, breast, liver, bile duct and esophagus cancers.
The Reproductive System
Impotence, sexual dysfunction, infertility, gynecomastia, testicular atrophy, osteophenia
The Endocrine System
Diabetes, ketoacidosis, gout
The Cardiovascular System
High blood pressure, heart disease, artery disease, sudden heart failure, heart attack
The Liver
Fatty liver, alcoholic hepatitis, cirrhosis
The Blood
Anemia(s), marrow toxicity, an iron or folate deficiency, leucopenia
Increased Risks of Infection
Hep C, HIV, tuberculosis, meningitis, STD's, pneumonia
Gastrointestinal
Pancreatitis, gastritis, diarrhea (chronic) esophagatitis, colitis, acid reflux, parotid enlargement
The Brain
Seizure, Korsakof's syndrome, Wernicke's Syndrome, dementia, brain shrinkage, stroke, subdural hematoma, hemorrhage, neuropathy
Nutrition
Malnutrition from vitamin and mineral deficiencies
I usually ignore your personal insults towards me and I never retort with my own, because I know that your agression simply stems from the fact that you don't like me (which dates back to, and is a direct result of, the debate in which you argued that everyone should be forced to turn their radios down during the day because you don't like their music, haha!). However, in this case your attempts to belittle my point on the grounds that I'm from from Northern Canada is pretty racist, and your implication that my personality and lifestyle was deviously crafted to make ignorant men respect me (through cheap tricks like being raised by a hunting family in Northern Canada - ooooh, look out! I'm so crafty I've been building my reputation among narrow-minded misogynists as their definition of "masculine" since before I was born!) is very sexist. You're not hurting my feelings (I've heard worse **** against women, rig guys aren't exactly the paragons of politeness), but why do you think it's okay to do that?Quote:
Originally Posted by stlukesguild
You're the one comparing "cutting" ie. self-injury as a coping mechanism for extreme psychological stress with sadomasochistic pleasure-from-pain sexual activity. There's nothing "pathological" about a fetish like sadomasochism. Everyone else on this thread seems clever enough to make that distinction.Quote:
Originally Posted by stlukesguild
Yeah, that was mentioned later by Revolte:Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
...which is what started this debate. Don't you know how to follow a thread? Besides, directly in the OP:Quote:
Originally Posted by Revolte
That sounds like a description of a pleasure-from-pain response to me.Quote:
Personally I find the same calming I get from being pierced or tattooed in self-mutilation.
*sarcasm, laying it on pretty thick
I don’t know, it seems that you do this pretty well:Quote:
I usually ignore your personal insults towards me and I never retort with my own…
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It's not about insighting people towards self harm, it's about shutting the **** up about something that has nothing to do with you.
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What psychotic spark in your little brain…
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I was trying to find the reason for you being such a condescending douche.
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Are you blind, or just ignorant?
It’s much better to quit while you’re behind than to descend so low, but never mind. The bottom line is not the details of the thread or topic at hand anyway is it? For you’ll argue that the moon is made of cheese if I said it wasn’t, but rather some pent-up post teen angst directed at some of the more sensible posters on Litnet and your imaginary young Vs old obsession. In that case I’ll remind you of the wolf fable or introduce you to it as you might like it.
You are a version of the younger wolf; rash and know-it-all, this is not something exclusively tied to youth, of course, but is so self-evident in your case nevertheless.Quote:
There are two wolves on the top of a hill; an old one and a young one. They’re both enjoying the sun, when suddenly they spot two sheep in the valley below. The younger one gets all excited and says to the older wolf "let's run down and get one." The older wolf replies "let's walk down and get them both."
That’s strange I thought someone posted a couple of questions on an open forum and asked for opinions. I didn’t realise that I had stormed into someone’s bedroom and started lecturing them about their sexual habits! What stupidity! :Yawn:Quote:
It's not about insighting people towards self harm, it's about shutting the **** up about something that has nothing to do with you.
Condescention makes me feisty, but there's nothing personal about any of my attacks. I don't bring up your family or your culture, do I? Nor do I bring up how you were raised, or how you identify yourself in light of your gender. Now that... that's personal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
You're wrong. It has nothing to do with "angst" (which, again, means insecure/hopeless, and I'm an often-described an "over-hopeful" person who is sometimes way too confident). I'll argue against pseudo-morality based infringements of human freedom until I die, and this is just another example of narrow-minded people trying to push their condescending, "father knows best" BS down other people's throats when it is, in reality, absolutely none of their business (which is exactly why you and I got into it in the first place in the last thread).Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
Also, re. the "Young vs. Old" thing - that's Emil's obsession which he dragged everyone else into (and I suspect it's an awkward hangup of SLG's as well). Papaya, Kcurtis, Paul, Bill, Mick, Schere & Qim are quite a bit older than me, and I really like all of them. Also, Bastable is older than me and I dare say I have a bit of a crush on him (don't tell his wife, though). Your ongoing insistance that I give so much as one tiny little **** about age is a transparent attempt to take credence from everything that I've said based on the idea that I would give any more thought than is necessary to the fact that you were born before I was (which doesn't mean anything, I don't care about how many years either of us has been alive).
That's a description of my personality, which has absolutely nothing to do with my age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
Then maybe you shouldn't have started to lecture on the personal habits and sexual preferences of other people in the first place. You do have the right to do so, and we have the right to express our own contempt at your holier-than-thou hypocritical attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
This has been good.
[QUOTE=JuniperWoolf;1115786].
:smilielol5: :smilielol5: :smilielol5:Quote:
Also, Bastable is older than me and I dare say I have a bit of a crush on him.
The absolute perfect match, but one made in hell rather than heaven.
This one's heading straight to the Memorable Post's thread.:rofl:
Sorry for this off-topic post, but . . .
Emil . . . I'm not trying to be offensive in any way here, but why can you not quote properly? You just hit quote, leave it alone and type under it. I mean, I'm not even sure what you do. You must quote someone, and then after the initial brackets that show the person you quoted's name, retype "[quote]".
[QUOTE=Mutatis-Mutandi;1115801]Sorry for this off-topic post, but . . .
Emil . . . I'm not trying to be offensive in any way here, but why can you not quote properly? You just hit quote, leave it alone and type under it. I mean, I'm not even sure what you do. You must quote someone, and then after the initial brackets that show the person you quoted's name, retype "Yes I know, after all it's self-explanatory, but for some reason it malfunctions on occasion. You can tell by looking back over my posts that sometimes it works and other times it doesn't . Therefore, I have had to work out a way round it and, no, I don't have to type in the '[quote]'.Quote:
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Haha I forgot to do it this time.
I see. Stupid technology.
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Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi
Apart from the right to give an opinion on an open forum that is. Or rather, one that differs from yours and then you come down on them like a stray rabid poodle!!!Quote:
I'll argue against pseudo-morality based infringements of human freedom until I die...
I haven't!!!!&&^%^%$£!!!Quote:
Then maybe you shouldn't have started to lecture on the personal habits and sexual preferences of other people in the first place.
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Self-mutilation in my view has been - to many - a coping mechanism with the stresses and in some cases horrors of their existence (e.g. traumatic experiences in the past or continuing in the present) It's a kind of self medication or therapy with a sharp object except it's not nearly as harmful or caustic as the kind of medications they prescribe in hospitals for psychological problems.
The manipulation of the brain and its neurotransmitters is far more pernicious than a scar on the arm. However helpful self harm may be to the individual it's still a dangerous practice and with today's society it causes one to become socially excluded which can only compound the issue at hand and proliferate episodes of self-harm. Therapy would be the only safe and effective alternative.
Actually I knew you'd fall back on that tired old argument so I specifically tried to head it off:Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
*sigh* I guess I failed to prevent the old act though. I'll make it more obvious next time.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf
You did, in your first words on this thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
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Originally Posted by Neely
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You did, in your first words on this thread:
Yes that is me giving my opinion on the thread question, thank you. I'm not lecturing, I'm not talking about people's sexual preferences, I'm giving my opinion in response to Revolte's questions which is what usually happens when someone opens up a thread and asks for opinions. I'm not saying that he or anyone else should agree with what I say, I don't know, I don't care, the question of self-mutilation as a form of meditation was asked and I responded. I'm not trying to "convert" anyone into not slashing themselves with razors or anything like that, I'm merely giving my opinion that it is absurd thing to do. If other people think otherwise that's fine. If you want to cut yourself open with a knife then be my guest. I'm not stopping you or anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
Self-mutilation is absurd. Excluding serious mental issues, there can be no justification for cutting/burning/scaring/chopping off a finger at all.
But the question on hand is: even tough it is not safe, would you forbid an individual from cutting himself for sexual gratification or stress relief. Would you impose upon him a law delacring what he may or may not do with his own body - thereby implicitly implying that his body does not legaly belong to him, but rather to society. As when his desire and that of societies conflict in regards to his body, he would not have the deciding voice, society being the main shareholder of his body.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick_Bateman
Oh please, not that it matters (your the one who brought the word "lecture" into the conversation, I could have gotten along just fine without it in this discussion) but that was totally lecturing. "There can be no justification for cutting/burning/scaring/chopping off a finger at all?" Part of me could practically hear Mr. Neely saying: "There can be no justification for not preparing yourself for this exam at all."Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
Sorry for cutting this sentence up (no pun intended), but that is literally what we have been discussing for almost this entire thread. Pleasure-from-pain. Revolte specifically mentioned sexual pleasure in his next post thereby bringing his intention out into the open, which I would quote here if not for the fact that I JUST DID in my previous post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
And if you give an opinion that other people are crazy or f*cked up, you will usually find that other people share their opinion that you are being hypocritical and condescending, which is exactly what is currently happening. If you don't want to debate with me or anyone then it's as easy as staying out of Serious Discussions (ie. the subforum for debate).Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
I know. I never said you were trying to convert people, in fact I specifically said that you're more liable to rally people against your frame of mind. What I said was that your "my way is obviously the sensible way simply because I say so, despite the fact that I engage in a much more detrimental self-harming recreational activity" is incorrect and hypocritical, and likely to accomplish nothing but turning people against you (to which you responded with that lovely dripping-with-condescention, smiley-filled post which got my hackles up this morning and almost made me vomit on my work desk). Ergo my next post in which I assert that they're not any crazier than you are, you just THINK they are because they're doing something that you don't do. That is the very definition of narrow-minded. YOU are narrow-minded, and it's silly to call people crazy or f*cked up just because they're not exactly like Neely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
This is officiallly going nowhere, we've resorted to literally describing the thread as it's occured up until this point. That's always a clear sign that it's over.
Honestly, this is supposed to be a serious discussion forum but as per usual, it's outnumbered by those members who use the forum to go a few rounds with other members. The topic is just an excuse for a slagging match, personal point scoring and childish nitpicking. It's full of sarcastic comments to each other, disrespectful and although I did post a few times because this subject is very close to home for me, what's the damn point of me laying it out there when so few are really engaging in the discussion? I can barely see from all the **** flying back and forth.
Does participating in a fight club count as self injurious behavior?
You want to discuss cutting as a coping mechanism for psychological trauma, which I gather from your anecdotes about your daughter's illness. I blame that on a sloppy OP, Revolte didn't make a clear distinction between the two motivators of SI. If you want a discussion about the modern trend of teenagers slicing themselves open to get a bit of emotional relief, then a thread with this in the OP:Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta40
...is not the place, and you'd probably be better off making your own thread which specifically sets a sombre, respectful tone and which would be more appropriate for discussing mental illness (and not a thread which implies that the OP gets a boner when he burns himself with cigarettes).Quote:
Originally Posted by Revolte