Is Satan a freedom fighter?

[Heteronym]

And that act of free choice has been met with complete brutality. The message is clear: think for yourself, be damned! Submit, and you inherit Paradise. Salvation is only possible through bondage, submission, worship and a rejection of everything that makes us human. Can't you see the message of misanthropy inherent in it?

[Sebas. Melmoth]

Wait a minute.

Before his fall, Lucifer was the highest of all created intelligences.
In other words, after the Diety himself--(the pronoun is unfortunate because a spirit has no gender, and the pronoun 'itself' refers to an inanimate object, so in English we're stuck with the masculine pronoun because in a conjectural statement we normally don't use a feminine pronoun)--after the Diety himself, Lucifer was the greatest being in all Cosmos.

And he had free will. So he was decieved by his own vanity into thinking he could stage a 'palace coup' and rise above the Deity: this was his mistake and fall. Furthermore, a third of the other created intelligences (spirits or 'angels') followed Lucifer and fell with him. These we now call demons or 'unclean spirits'.

So, what's your question: because Lucifer tried to overthrow the Diety and lost his place for it, the Diety was wrong to put down the rebellion?

No king would survive unless he supresses a palace coup.

[Alexander III]

"Interesting view - though, again, if you had done your research you might have discovered that the Bible is far different from all other "mythologies" from ancient cultures."

Sorry up break it to you but the Bible uses many stories from other mythologies and integrates them as its own, the entire story of Jesus is pretty much a copy paste of the story of the egyptian God Rah, Im not sure about the spelling there.

Maybe it's you who needs to read closer ?

[Sebas. Melmoth]

"Interesting view - though, again, if you had done your research you might have discovered that the Bible is far different from all other "mythologies" from ancient cultures."

Sorry up break it to you but the Bible uses many stories from other mythologies and integrates them as its own, the entire story of Jesus is pretty much a copy paste of the story of the egyptian God Rah, Im not sure about the spelling there.

Maybe it's you who needs to read closer ?

Well, Satan is the arch-deciever and capable of making any truth look like an imitation of mythos.
The problem is that men with dark minds love to follow the deceptions because it justifies their own sinful ways--or so they think in the convoluted thinking of their own dark minds.

[Alexander III]

Well, Satan is the arch-deciever and capable of making any truth look like an imitation of mythos.
The problem is that men with dark minds love to follow the deceptions because it justifies their own sinful ways--or so they think in the convoluted thinking of their own dark minds.

Under that assumption would not Satan's most logical and powerful move be to deceive men into thinking that he is the one God, in which case how do we know that our religion and our god are not Satan's most elaborate and successful deception. There are so many places we can go with this road.

[Sebas. Melmoth]

Those who perversly seek Satan may be found by him and destroyed by him.

Satan is the destroyer.

[Neo_Sephiroth]

Satan, the word sounds rather disgusting to those whose minds are preoccupied with some ideas they have through others or reading the Bible.

Satan is in point of fact a freedom seeker and does not want to submit to the tyranny of God.

In fact God wants that all submit to his command, Satan, uncommon and un-submissive launched a number of raids and did not want to coordinate with God. He therefore raised or inspired his legions seeking distinct space for them.

In today's world also if any freedom fighters set themselves against the tyranny of their rulers they will be exiled.

Satan is in everyone of us, inherently, and we do not become explicit dreading the unthinkable.

Do not take Satan differently. He is like all of us who want a self chosen government and he does not want any dictator to govern over us.

God is a traditional ruler. He had succeeded in programming the minds of his subjects that he is almighty and that he is the creator of everything.

Yes every religion has a god and devil too.

In some ways, Satan is a freedom fighter.

However, I believe that freedom fighters have to choose fight "against" or "agree" on the kind of government that they have at the time rather then to "submit" and "surrender" oneself.

Remember, there have been many supposed "freedom fighters" that are now in the realm of "criminals". What did those "freedom fighters" fight for and what kind of government did they fight against?

Hopefully, I'm not going into the political area here but maybe Satan fought against a "government" that is already a well-rounded system? Maybe Satan thought that he could create a better system and he persuaded some of the people to go with him?

Who is to say that God had a system full of tyranny? We don't know. Perhaps Satan is just one of those psychopath that decided to ruin a perfectly good system just because he was tired of it?

[MANICHAEAN]

Heteronym

I can in fact see a lot more than you give me credit for. However you have your views & I have my faith and there is not much in the way of a middle ground.

Bear with me if I try it from a different perspective. Have you ever had any deep spiritial moments? I'm talking of something akin, (although fiction in this instance), to Chapter 4 of The Brothers Kaz, where Alyosha feels himself overwhelmed in the presence of his God.

[Heteronym]

Have you ever had any deep spiritial moments? I'm talking of something akin, (although fiction in this instance), to Chapter 4 of The Brothers Kaz, where Alyosha feels himself overwhelmed in the presence of his God.

You'd have to better define a deep spiritual moment.

[MANICHAEAN]

I will try.
Its a feeling of extreme emotion. Not quite fear but awe.
The whole of your existence feels in the presence of a power way beyond what you can imagine.
You feel shaken, tearful & vunerable.
Once finished, there is a tremendous feeling of relief and peace.

Excuse me if I'm not explaining it adequately. Its as emotional as blind rage & anger but at the alternate meridian.

[hoope]

I wish this were true. CS Lewis argued in his book The Screwtape Letters that the two most dangerous things we can do is to a) take Satan lightly, or b) to cease to believe that he's real. Both actions result in our underestimation of his power. The modern era has largely made Satan into a mythical bogeyman.

Well Satan is real and we can't deny that.. at the same point we can't make it an excuse for out wrong actions.... We know how evil he is and how he was kicked off Heaven .. and .. and and .. thatlong story that everyone knows..
But why are we even questioning such things...

Mikhail Bakunin, one of the intellectual founders of modern anarchism, considers, in his book God and the State, Satan the first freedom fighter and the emancipator of Mankind. From his act of rebellion and by convicing Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of Knowledge, Bakunin argues, Mankind moved from being mere field beasts to being individuals in control of their own lives.

Since when people who disobey are heroes ... I mean its only human thinking; we always see bad boys .. the best.. and we always se the one who raises his voice and beat others as a FREEDOM FIGHTER !!!! OR EVEN HERO.. !!

why is that.. !
Satan disobeyed the only God , the Creator.. and thought he was better than Adam .. who was created from sand .. while he was made of Fire.. ...
Why don't you look at the point a one who disobeyed God .. and was punished .. and he promised to distroy all the ancestor of Adam .. all the human beings..
Now the only part that i don't get is THE FREEDOM FIGHTER thing . !!!!
How is that possible ?

[Redzeppelin]

"Interesting view - though, again, if you had done your research you might have discovered that the Bible is far different from all other "mythologies" from ancient cultures."

Sorry up break it to you but the Bible uses many stories from other mythologies and integrates them as its own, the entire story of Jesus is pretty much a copy paste of the story of the egyptian God Rah, Im not sure about the spelling there.

Maybe it's you who needs to read closer ?

You're not "breaking" anything to me I've not already heard before, and you're certainly not informing me of any "facts," Alex - you're passing on assumptions and speculations about the origin of the Bible - none of which are provable, by the way. That there are echos of the Bible in other cultures doesn't necessarily mean they were borrowed. The difference between the Bible and mythology is that the people, locations, and events of the Bible continue to be verified by scholarship and archaeology (sp?). Try as you might, you're not finding any evidence of people and events from Greek/Roman/Norse/Celtic/etc mythology anywhere.

As far as the life of Christ, CS Lewis made the point in one of his essays that Christ was the "myth made real" - that Christ was the real life manifestation of the other "harbinger gods" - that other mythologies essentially "foretold" the coming of Christ throught their stories.

As well, since Christ was such a polarizing figure, if his story were false, then there would have been refutations published in response to the gospels because the Jewish leaders were very much invested in disproving his claims of being God. Those refutations do not exist. The problem is that historical documents written by non-Christians (Josephus, for one) mention Christ by name - so, the theory that his story is phony holds no water.

Thanks for the recommendation, but I'm pretty good with my reading, thanks.