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    Another letter:

    I have a friend I've known for forever. My friend recently emailed me and asked to borrow money. She said it is for a medical procedure (it is necessary). My friend lives in another country, she moved back to her home country after being in the US for several years. She borrowed money from me a few years ago and hasn't paid me back yet. The agreement was that when she got on her feet she would pay me back, she hasn't gotten back on her feet yet. I have a feeling that she isn't trying as hard as she could but I don't know for sure. Anyways her parents have money but my friend refuses to ask them. Part of the reason my friend moved back to her home country was to spite her parents, she doesn't have a good relationship with them. I should add that my friend is a grown woman with two kids of her own (she's a single mom). If I do loan her the money I do not expect that it will be paid back anytime soon if ever. WWYD?
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    The only thing i can think of to suggest is that if you really dont feel comfortable about loaning her the money, try to find a way to encourage her to speak with her family, resolve their issues and get it from them. If its a very important op, i'm sure her parents would want to help her regardless of any differences. She just needs to knock down the barrier. If that doesnt work i dont know what else to suggest.
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    Being a good friend doesn't mean you need to lend somebody money. Being a good friend can mean encouraging her to look into other avenues that are healthier for both of you- and for your friendship- including trying to rekindle old familial ties. I wouldn't lend the money, because, while it is a friend, you have done so before, and have not been paid back... normally, with any of my friends, I take it in good faith that I will get money back- and I DO, so I feel comfortable lending to them again.

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    If you have the money to "lend" and understand that you'll never see it again, then, well, you might consider "loaning" her the money. If money's tight for you, I'd try talking with her about getting a medical loan, asking her parents or some similar thing.
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    I think you should base your decision on the kind of reliability of your friend in other fields. Maybe it's true she can't find a way to pay you back soon. Maybe she wants to pay you back, but she just can't for the moment. Now, if she has proved herself dependable in other matters regarding your relationship with her, then you may consider to give her another hand, that is, if you think she deserves it for reasons different from money lending. Consider you are probably the only person she can ask for help. If your finances allow you, I believe you have quite a few aspects to consider.

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    I am going to play devil's advocate here and suggest that giving money can and does destroy bonds. Two years ago I gave my sister money because her husband wasn't working and she was hysterical and as usual big sister had to plug the hole in the windmill. We are now estranged and our personal relationship is unfortunately marred and may never heal, and she is my kid sister.

    Your friend may love you, but she may see you as a mark, and I am not sure her family should not be involved in relation to her surgery. I'd decline--and that may sound brutal, but you might end up resenting her for taking advantage of you.

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    What Jozanny says makes lots of sense too. I have lived a similar situation between my mom and my uncle (her only bro). As I suggested before, there are many flanks to consider before making up your mind.

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    Our next letter:
    For the last 15 years, I kept our family; my husband doesn't work but he didn't bother to engage in housework either. So, I decided last year to separate from him. I moved out, together with my two grown-up children. Part of me was hoping he would come round and try to make his own living. But no, it ended up by my paying his rent and backing him up financially.

    At the same time, my daughter (20 years old then) married, a man 11 years older than herself and whom she knew only a couple of months, and not until one week afterward, she told me about it. She hasn't finished her education yet, and is depending on him solely. He had an own small haulage contracting firm. I had the impression that it was in reaction to our separating, trying to find some "secure harbor" for herself but she denied that. Nevertheless, I feel guilty, even though she supported my decision to separate.

    Then, just a couple of weeks later, I lost my job, and finally, in May '10, moved back to my husband, mainly because I can't afford to keep two flats any longer.

    It now turns out that my son-in-law is considerably in debt, with the tax office for instance, resulting in the tax office's threatening to withdraw his business license. They (my daughter and her husband) then decided to have the business running on my daughter's name, and my son-in-law as her employee. I am worried because I don't like the idea of her facing all that trouble besides having to concentrate on her school qualifications, instead of enjoying some more years of youth and light-heartedness as it should be.

    But what troubles me most is the fact that he doesn't treat her very kindly and thoughtful, and I don't have the impression that they love each other very much, but I don't trust my feelings anymore.

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    I would do nothing about the daughter. Parental interference in adult children's lives never ends well, so I would merely make it obvious that I was there to help, no matter what the issues.

    One area I woulf take action is in my own marriage. You give the impression you separated because you think your husband's lazy. I would expect there to be much more to it than that - if that was the case, almost nobody would be married now!

    Secondly, while you might have been ordered to pay your ex-husband's rent, you must have been able to get a re-assessment when you lost your job, so returning to the marriage for financial reasons becomes suspect as well.

    If the marriage is finished, finish with it - repaired relationships never last long and I'd be looking to move out again asap.

    Your problems don't seem insurmountable, but they do need some work!

    Good luck!
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    My two cents:

    It has to be horrible to have to move back with your husband. Is it still possible to get out? if so set a date, tell your husband you are moving by that date and that you will no longer pay his rent/support him. That way you give him enough time to make arrangements to support himself. Then follow through (no doubt the hard part). You've already been doing it for the passed 15 years, imagine what you can do without the dead weight.

    To me it seems like your daughter might be modeling your behavior. Is it possible the son in law and your husband might be similar in many ways? It sounds like your husband hasn't treated you very well either, unless there's a reason why he can't help out (but you would have mentioned that part).
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    My humble view, with all due respect, is that both your husband and son-in-law seem the type of fellow that have specific uses for wives. They want a working lady to pay their bills, so they can comfortably sit to watch how life walks by in front of their eyes, and also a housewife to do the laundry and such, while they keep watching comfortably how life walks by in front of their eyes.

    Quote Originally Posted by papayahed View Post
    It has to be horrible to have to move back with your husband. Is it still possible to get out? if so set a date, tell your husband you are moving by that date and that you will no longer pay his rent/support him. That way you give him enough time to make arrangements to support himself. Then follow through (no doubt the hard part). You've already been doing it for the passed 15 years, imagine what you can do without the dead weight.
    In 15 years he didn't make many arrangements to give his wife a hand. It seems unlikely that he will start making arrangements to live on his own at this stage of his life. However, as papaya says, it's a dead weight, and both you and your daughter would feel much happier by getting rid of your respective dead weights. A dead weight will never do the laundry or set the table, let alone collaborating in any way to keep the family going. They are just unfit to have a family. I wonder how come they get to have a wife in the first place. I don't want to scare you, and I don't want to sound exaggerated, but I know many cases like yours, even within my own environment, and I can tell you that dead weights bury good people alive, and once you're completely buried, you just won't pick yourself off the ground anymore. Try to get rid of the fellow before it's too late, and your daughter should do the same too. I wish that you both find a clear way through this. Best of lucks!

    Quote Originally Posted by papayahed View Post
    Is it possible the son in law and your husband might be similar in many ways? It sounds like your husband hasn't treated you very well either...
    By the sounds of it, they seem identical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximilianus View Post
    In 15 years he didn't make many arrangements to give his wife a hand. It seems unlikely that he will start making arrangements to live on his own at this stage of his life.

    oh, no doubt. I was suggesting the time limit so the poster wouldn't feel guilty of leaving the husband out in the cold. Whether he makes arrangements or not is of no consequence it's that he was given the opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by papayahed View Post
    oh, no doubt. I was suggesting the time limit so the poster wouldn't feel guilty of leaving the husband out in the cold. Whether he makes arrangements or not is of no consequence it's that he was given the opportunity.
    Yea, it's fair enough to give him this chance. Though he doesn't seem to deserve it, unless he's been having some kind of psychological problem that has made him act so wrong all along these years, of which we haven't been informed. It would be the only thing that could justify his behavior, in my humble opinion.

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    We have a new letter:
    My uncle, my mother's brother, recently passed away. We, especially my mom, had a strong argument with him and there was no chance for reconciliation because he died so soon, and she's now feeling guilty. He died alone, after a little more than a year being detached from us. Before that, he had lived a couple of years with us. He had lost almost everything, including his house, in a big part because he spent much of his lifetime wasting money and supporting his lover and her daughters; daughters she had with her husband and from whom she never divorced. He practically got nothing at all from these women. Their main interest was his wallet. He had supported that family for more than four decades, and whenever my mother tried to make him see he was losing everything, he just got mad at her, yelling it was not her business what he did with his money and his life.

    He was a good man, all in all, and he may have had many virtues, but he was the type of person you can't reason with. He thought he had it all figured, but he didn't, then became homeless, and came to live with us. After two years in our house, having frequent arguments with my mother, she finally tells him she would not keep making things easy for him so he could keep wasting his remaining scanty incomes in supporting these women, so he finally left us in much anger; anger he made an effort to hide.

    He often made my mother feel that a good sister would have supported him, no matter what he had done with his life, and he even grabbed some kind of outer support by telling others that my mother had practically kicked him out of our house. He depicted my mother as the evil sister, but never told anyone about the reasons of my mother's behavior. In a way, he always appears as a victim. He always gave his version of the story, but never said that my mother didn't stand the fact that he was living with us for free, while wasting the little money he had left in these women, for whom he became a savior. Anyway, now my mother feels terribly bad because she's been the subject of much gossip, where she was made to appear as a villain.

    I would like to ask what you would have done under a similar situation. Would you support a relative, keep them in your home, making life easy for them, and just stare at how they give away their meager income to other people, without trying to make them see they are acting wrong? Was it so wrong that my mother tried to make him see that he should prepare for the future, waste less and save more for the times when he could not work anymore? He was very aged by the time of his death, disabled and retired. He was living in a state of total misery, in a dirty room he was renting, and we knew he was eating too little, claiming his retirement income wasn't enough. How could his income be enough if he had the most of it devoted to a woman who wasn't even his wife, and to her daughters, who were not even his own? Would you tell such relative to get serious or would you let them do whatever they want, even if the consequences would affect you in the future? Was my mother's severity too severe? Did we act wrongly?

    All opinions will be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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