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    I'd say there's no such thing as reversed racism. Racism is racism - straightforward and up and down - whichever race is being generalised about, and regardless of whether the generalisation is pro or anti.

    On top of which, Eg, no one's saying that there have not been black people in Europe for centuries. They're just saying that Jane Austen wasn't one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkBastable View Post
    I'd say there's no such thing as reversed racism. Racism is racism - straightforward and up and down - whichever race is being generalised about, and regardless of whether the generalisation is pro or anti.

    Yes Sir,
    May we go home now Sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Bean View Post
    May we go home now Sir.
    I thought you'd never ask. Please do.

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    In many ways, trying to seize Austen as a secretly coloured genius does a disservice to some of the great literary masters that Africa and the West Indies have produced: Wole Soyinka comes to mind as a great example, even though I'll admit to being no expert on African literature.

    What purpose then does it serve to derive some form of conspiracy around Austen? Who would perpetrate such a thing, both then and now? Afro-Carribean literature is no poorer for not containing her.

    For the purposes of contrast, I shall suggest that Milton was Greek:

    "Thee I re-visit now with bolder wing,
    Escap't the Stygian Pool, though long detain'd
    In that obscure sojourn,"
    See, he's spent a lot of time in the River Styx, and he's familiar with its classical function - he must be a Greek!

    I also suggest that Chaucer might actually be an alien! Look at this description of him by Host:

    And saide thus; "What man art thou?" quoth he;
    "Thou lookest as thou wouldest find an hare,
    For ever on the ground I see thee stare.

    "Approache near, and look up merrily.
    Now ware you, Sirs, and let this man have place.
    He in the waist is shapen as well as I;
    This were a puppet in an arm t'embrace
    For any woman small and fair of face.
    He seemeth elvish by his countenance,
    For unto no wight doth he dalliance.
    He appears 'elvish' - a sure sign that he isn't human!

    I'm currently also working a theory that Shakespeare was an eskimo - I'll get back to you when I find proof!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokasenna View Post
    I'll get back to you when I find proof!
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    Lokasenna, we'll only be convinced if you can find a photo of Chaucer to prove it.

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    Look how squat and tiny Chaucer is, and look at the way he's clothed - I see an obvious parrallel:

    "I should only believe in a God that would know how to dance. And when I saw my devil, I found him serious, thorough, profound, solemn: he was the spirit of gravity- through him all things fall. Not by wrath, but by laughter, do we slay. Come, let us slay the spirit of gravity!" - Nietzsche

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    OK. I'm convinced!
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    Actually, all joking aside, in that picture, Geoff does look kinda...well...dusky. I mean, you wouldn't call that white, would you?

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    Pity we can't see the hair, for confirmation.
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    You see! He had really really short hair like the people in Africa. That is certain proof!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkBastable View Post
    Actually, all joking aside, in that picture, Geoff does look kinda...well...dusky. I mean, you wouldn't call that white, would you?
    Are you saying that Jane Austen was Chaucer's mother? Or that you, possibly, might be a character in one of her novels? Bastable Park, perhaps?

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    If I've read this correctly, Jane was heiress to the company that gave us the Marina (sea-faring) and the Montego, which speaks for itself. The inference is obvious.
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    I seem to have started something... hmm...

    Incidentally, I've just noticed that Chaucer is making the "E.T go home" hand gesture as well...
    "I should only believe in a God that would know how to dance. And when I saw my devil, I found him serious, thorough, profound, solemn: he was the spirit of gravity- through him all things fall. Not by wrath, but by laughter, do we slay. Come, let us slay the spirit of gravity!" - Nietzsche

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