When I say that the goal is to become Gods, it's not just to be omnipotent, but also to have all the virtues we attribute to him/her/it. In any case, why does it matter if we destroy the environment in the process of becoming Gods? What use would we have for environment when we are Gods? We can create a new universe if we want.Originally Posted by blazeofglory
Last edited by caesar; 04-09-2010 at 11:20 AM.
"Don't need a gun to blow your mind"
All the virtues God has are what constitute God. God is not a piece of flesh or a heap of bones like what we humans are constituted of in point of fact. God is not a fixed state, it is a process, and God is not an idea but a super or supreme reality and our earthbound senses and reasoned or rational mindsets cannot comprehend this mystery.
Now your goal to have all the virtues, not one or two of God is a far cry, an untenable desire and completely UNATTAINABLE desire. It is a fantasy and fantasizing something though on unrealistic ground is fascinating
“Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””
“If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.
That's what people thought about flying.
"Don't need a gun to blow your mind"
You are absolutely right.
My goals or desires cannot be earthbound, rules bound and of course system bounds. I am unbound.
Of course one of my goals is to break through social and ethical barriers and I hate limitations whether social, cultural or ethical
“Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””
“If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.
A self-contradictory statement.
This sentence contradicts itself - no actually it doesn't.
My goal in life is to be here and present and to live as best as I could....
That's it in a nutshell. Nothing else is needed.
Is it possible that you mean 'ethnical barriers' instead of 'ethical barriers'? Because the only way I can imagine someone breaking an ethical barrier is by doing something unethical, and it would be a bit odd if that was your goal in life..
Ethics is a concept not a constant and it changes, an idea that camouflages with respect to time and space. What ethical values we hade esteemed a century ago are discarded today as they lacked luster. I do not stick to set ethical standards. That said I do not mean I will commit a murder. But there are some ethical norms that are baseless and need revision
“Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””
“If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.
We can never hold all the same properties as God. His “throne,” as it were, is not upheld by the faith of his followers, whereas the throne of any man is. This is the primary difference, and, according to Milton, Satan’s inability to make this distinction is what led him to believe his rebellion against god would work and consequently landed him in Hell.
I’m not too sure what “saving your soul” means. What are you saving your soul from? And what is the soul? The statement “saving your soul” could warrant a whole plethora of responses, and I don’t want to get into the hermeneutics of this statement.
Everyone’s ultimate goal is to be happy but in order to achieve this we take on “proximate goals.” In my words I would’ve said we all intend to be happy but take on very different methods in order to actualize this intention. But in order to make these statements carry much meaning the first hurdle we have to jump is defining happiness. I haven’t got much of an answer for that one. There are some people who say it is a state of desirelessness, and others who say hedonism is synonymous with happiness. I happen to disagree with both of these views. Does anyone want to endeavor to answer this question?
To answer the question honestly; to attain Immortality...
An answer would have to take into account the contingent nature of our being. I think that many people if they were to compare their "ultimate goal" to their actual lives, would have to re-evaluate their goal if they are not to deceive themselves. I don't deny a possible value in formulating such a goal.
The closest I could come to an answer to your question would be to say that such a goal continually rolls itself out in front of me, and that I am to become aware of it, the awareness being part of the motion of this goal.
I think you know perfectly well the kind of discourse to which "saving your soul" belongs, and that is sufficient for this discussion.
Well , after so many years of struggle ,I've reached the conclusion that there is no happiness in this life . These are fleeting moments that can never last .
I was very sad because I couldn't be happy like the fairy tales " and they lived happy forever ." It's an illusion or rather fiction that has no place in reality .
Now my ultimate goal is " goodness " in every possible way . Goodness can last , as both deed and effect ,and everything else will perish . I am not sad any more . It is not a state of desirelessness but a new consciousness that substitutes what is eternal for what is temporal .
Last edited by caddy_caddy; 06-09-2010 at 04:42 AM.
This looks like the stoic approach to life, but it depends what you mean by "goodness".
How can you be good in every possible way? If you work really hard you might become a really good golfer, but you would not have time to become a really good tennis player. What happens if goodness doesn't last as an effect? For instance Christ was good, but it didn't last, just look at the Spanish Inquisition! How do you know if goodness is eternal? As you (might) have only a finite life it's not certain it will be eternal for you.
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