Dinosaurs.

[The Atheist]

A case is being put that dinosaurs were on the Ark of Noah.

I think.

If it isn't a joke, then this needs discussion, and I've put it here, because although it's biblical, the evidence isn't:

I affirm that they WERE on the ark. However, this is not the place for this discussion.

So, let's have that discussion.

(If it is a joke, it obviously won't be serious enough and will Die The Death of Boring Threads!)

[Niamh]

Dinosaurs predate the Ark. Please see link

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0152183/quotes

“You believe the world's 12 thousand years old? "That's right." Okay I got one word to ask you, a one word question, ready? "Uh huh." Dinosaurs. You know the world's 12 thousand years old and dinosaurs existed, they existed in that time, you'd think it would have been mentioned in the ****ing Bible at some point. "And lo Jesus and the disciples walked to Nazareth. But the trail was blocked by a giant brontosaurus...with a splinter in his paw. And O the disciples did run a shriekin': 'What a big ****ing lizard, Lord!' But Jesus was unafraid and he took the splinter from the brontosaurus's paw and the big lizard became his friend.”

[BienvenuJDC]

If we are going to have this discussion, I would like to have some set parameters to the focus of the discussion. The main question being:

How does the evidence of dinosaurs existence fit into the Biblical time line?

[Niamh]

It doesnt. The Biblical time line is only a few thousand years old. The Dinosaurs existed during the Jurassic and Triassic periods of the mesozoic Era circa 200 million years ago. The Biblical time line is set post-pleitocene which roughly ended with the last ice age 10000 years ago.

[BienvenuJDC]

It doesnt. The Biblical time line is only a few thousand years old. The Dinosaurs existed during the Jurassic and Triassic periods of the mesozoic Era circa 200 million years ago. The Biblical time line is set post-pleitocene which roughly ended with the last ice age 10000 years ago.

If those are going to be the defined parameters, then I have no interest in a discussion based on theory that I find to be erroneous.

[DanielBenoit]

If those are going to be the defined parameters, then I have no interest in a discussion based on theory that I find to be erroneous.

Then don't join, simple as that

It's kind of weird how these are always the defined parameters to the discussion.

But what kind of parameters would you like Bien? Ones that fit your belief system?

[Niamh]

If those are going to be the defined parameters, then I have no interest in a discussion based on theory that I find to be erroneous.

And how do you find geological and Paleontological evidence erroneous?

[The Atheist]

If we are going to have this discussion, I would like to have some set parameters to the focus of the discussion.

Great idea.

The parameters will be known facts.

The main question being:

How does the evidence of dinosaurs existence fit into the Biblical time line?

That's very easy with a factual approach, as summed up by Niamh - dinosaurs are millions of years older than humans and there is an enormous wealth of factual literature available throughout every library and university in the world to show that this is the case.

From geology to paleontology to physics to mathematics, it is demonstrable that dinsosaurs lived immensely long before humans.

As long as the bible refers to dinosaurs metaphorically, there is no problem at all.

If the bible is produced as any kind of evidence that humans and dinosaurs coexisted, then the bible or its interpretation is simply incorrect, because dinosaurs aren't compatible with the bible.

The more liberal religions in the world - i.e. almost all of them - accept these facts and treat the bible as allegorical in terms of timeline.

Would you argue that all science is wrong and the earth is only millennia old?

[DanielBenoit]

How in any logical universe can humans co-exist with dinosaurs? It is only because the dinosaurs died out that mammals were given room to dominate.

Question: How did Noah prevent the T-Rex from eating the little yummy sheep?

[Katy North]

The ark discussion is kind of pointless if there is no fundamentalist willing to engage in verbal banter.

If we're just talking about dinosaurs in general though, I must say, I quite like ankylosaurus. He has to be the best dinosaur ever.



Proof that the best offense is an excellent defense. ^

[BienvenuJDC]

That's very easy with a factual approach, as summed up by Niamh - dinosaurs are millions of years older than humans and there is an enormous wealth of factual literature available throughout every library and university in the world to show that this is the case.

Just because certain theories are widely accepted in certain groups, it does not mean that they are facts. Many scientists believe that the dating methods are grossly inaccurate. I will not discuss a topic where you get to set all the rules in order to make sure that your conclusions are the only ones that are possible.

Good day!!

[Niamh]

how are they grossly inaccurate? you cant make a statement like that and not give a reason for why you believe it.

I cant for the life of me figure out what is so insulting about me posting dates, eras etc as evidance that they arent connected. you posed a question, i answered.

[DanielBenoit]

Just because certain theories are widely accepted in certain groups, it does not mean that they are facts.

Agreed! There goes the Judeo-Christian God all together

Many scientists believe that the dating methods are grossly inaccurate.

Which ones? *takes out notepad*

I will not discuss a topic where you get to set all the rules in order to make sure that your conclusions are the only ones that are possible.

What do you want the "rules" to be? Shall we just assume the postulation that the earth is 6,000 years old and that God created Adam and Eve in the garden?

[JuniperWoolf]

I think that the more interesting subject here is psychological. This notion that the earth is only what, eight thousand years old? It's not just held by a small fringe group, there are even a bunch of people in my obscure little town that believe it. How the hell do they do that? How are they able to solidly believe something that has such a huge amount of evidence to the contrairy? And for what reason? Why do they insist on such an illogical assertion? Don't they know that it makes them look willfully ignorant? They even get mad when you question them (*cough*Bien*cough*). It's pretty strange.

[Katy North]

It's called fundamentalism. Many people who are deeply religious believe the Bible over scientists. While Musicology seems to be enjoying the argument for the sake of the argument, it seems that this is a deeply personal choice for Bien. I'm no moderator, but I'd suggest we not continue this thread, which seems to have been made purely for the sake of mocking Bien's beliefs.

Unless we want to talk about the ankylosaurus again. Whom I affirm is awesome.