Its gone awfully silent in the land of mediaeval dogmas, right ?
Its gone awfully silent in the land of mediaeval dogmas, right ?
Yeah, it seems so.Originally Posted by Musicology
Its gone awfully silent in the land of mediaeval dogmas, right ?
This sentence contradicts itself - no actually it doesn't.
You're not going to get anywhere with that question with me, i'm afraid...
Ok, you accept that it gets light and dark every day and that that takes 24 hours to complete its cycle? Yes?
One has to laugh before being happy, because otherwise one risks to die before having laughed.
"Je crains [...] que l'âme ne se vide à ces passe-temps vains, et que le fin du fin ne soit la fin des fins." (Edmond Rostand, Cyrano de Bergerac, Acte III, Scène VII)
Kiki,
Any reader of this thread can see for themselves that the evidence is always being presented by only one side. The other side refusing to answer. And, when they do, filled with basic errors and mistakes. That's the record.
Now you say you refuse to answer the simple question of how long it takes a plane to fly between two cities on the atlas !
You were even given the choice of the cities from anywhere in the entire atlas !!!! And still you can't answer the question !
Well, let me make it very simple. If the Earth is rotating at between 900 and 1000 mph it will, in several hours, rotate several thousand miles, according to your own dogma. Regardless of the choice of your two cities.
Let others see clearly who is hiding from reality. Isn't it already obvious ? You duck the issue, yet again.
Yes, I accept it gets light and dark every day. Again, nobody disputes this.
So, once again, you have had your question answered and refuse to answer the simple tests of others. That's plain dogma, isn't it ?
You know the late, legendary Edmund Hillary was a beekeeper before he took up climbing ridiculously high moutains with archaic equipment?
Another bee fact: they're dying off!
We are dead-set going to run out of apples if we're not careful.
The bee population of the world is down by 15-odd percent and here's bleeding Mark Bastable trying to teach them to fly down trains, for god's sake!
It just ain't right.
India, once upon a time decided that 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288 was just too much trouble and officially changed the value to 3.2 for ease of computation.
Never buy an Indian car.
Now, I know you're ignoring my questions, but I'll just pop in here and ask if the bible allows for space (that black stuff we see above the earth at night) is able to be just space (as in, empty)?
Once you've accepted that there is nothing, not even gas, above the earth's atmosphere, all you need is an elementary lesson in physics, with special attention to objects moving and friction, so I'll give you that now:
Run a bath and when there's some water in it, swish your hand through the water. First off, do it with palm flat and try to sweep water with your flat hand. Fingers lying stright out next to each other. See how you can feel the water pushing back at you? Also, you can confirm this by looking at the wake of a boat, water has to be physically pushed out of the way to go through it.
Air actually works exactly the same way, although it's a lot thinner than water. This is why we can breathe airm, but not water. To confirm this, you need to get in a car and get up to 60 mph/100 kmh.
Once you reach that speed, open you window and put the same flt palm facing the direction you're travelling in. See how the wind pushes against your hand the same way?
Amazing stuff, this physics!
Now, in a near-vacuum, like that space above the atmosphere, there is nothing at all to push against!
This means there is nothing pushing against the air of our atmosphere, so it doesn't make a 1000 mph wind at the top.
Bizarre but true.
Go to work, get married, have some kids, pay your taxes, pay your bills, watch your tv, follow fashion, act normal, obey the law and repeat after me: "I am free."
Anon
Its gone awfully silent in the land of mediaeval dogmas, right ?I make my point.
The Moments of Dominion
That happen on the Soul
And leave it with a Discontent
Too exquisite — to tell —
-Emily Dickinson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVW8GCnr9-I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckGIvr6WVw4
Atheist,
Great post and totally irrelevant !
Nobody says the atmosphere of the Earth is moving at 1,000 mph except the mediaeval dogmatists themselves !!! In fact, nobody says it all. Only those who believe clouds are moving at virtually the same speed as their own idea of a 'rotating earth'. An Earth, they say, which is rotating at between 900 and 1,000 mph. They also believe the Earth's atmosphere is moving at around the same speed ! And so we asked them about a plane flight time through a long cloud if the plane is flying directly opposite to the alleged rotation of the Earth. They bungled that one. As usual. And then these fools were asked to choose two cities of their very own choice for a test flight to see how long that flight takes - in any direction that they choose. As long as their two chosen cities are several thousands of miles apart. They can't even answer that too !!!
When we even ask them to choose two cities thousands of miles apart for a test of their mediaeval dogma they can't even do that !!! I mean, what planet do these people live on ???
It's hilarious ! The picture that emerges here is a Mickey Mouse 'education'. Isn't it ?
Last edited by Musicology; 04-04-2010 at 02:31 PM.
Once again I point you towards inertial frames of reference because you appear to not be able to understand how something can be at rest relative to one frame and moving relative to another. I.e. a person in a moving train. From outer space I am currently moving at the same speed as the rotating Earth. However, with the Earth as frame of reference I am currently at rest. The movement of the clouds relative to me at rest right now is due to being pushed by air currents, not to the rotation of the Earth. From outer space once again, the clouds would appear to be moving at a different speed because you would be in a different frame of reference. Is this concept so difficult for you to understand?
"If the national mental illness of the United States is megalomania, that of Canada is paranoid schizophrenia."
- Margaret Atwood
Orphan Pip writes -
Once again I point you towards inertial frames of reference because you appear to not be able to understand how something can be at rest relative to one frame and moving relative to another. I.e. a person in a moving train. From outer space I am currently moving at the same speed as the rotating Earth. However, with the Earth as frame of reference I am currently at rest. The movement of the clouds relative to me at rest right now is due to being pushed by air currents, not to the rotation of the Earth. From outer space once again, the clouds would appear to be moving at a different speed because you would be in a different frame of reference. Is this concept so difficult for you to understand ?
OK, let's examine this latest nonsense from Orphan Pip.
Let me repeat that paragraph with underlinings and comments to follow -
''Once again I point you towards inertial frames of reference because you appear to not be able to understand how something can be at rest relative to one frame and moving relative to another. I.e. a person in a moving train. From outer space I am currently moving at the same speed as the rotating Earth. However, with the Earth as frame of reference I am currently at rest. The movement of the clouds relative to me at rest right now is due to being pushed by air currents, not to the rotation of the Earth. From outer space once again, the clouds would appear to be moving at a different speed because you would be in a different frame of reference. Is this concept so difficult for you to understand'' ?
LOL !!!!!
May I remind you, when you are in outer space you can be travelling at ANY speed or direction. Why do you say 'From outer space I am currently moving at the same speed as the rotating Earth' ? Why do you say this ? From outer space I can be moving at any speed that I like, and in any direction. I am not tied to Earth because I am already OUTSIDE of the Earth's atmosphere. Why ? Because I'm in OUTER SPACE !!!!!!!!! I don't have a frame of reference because I'm in OUTER SPACE. I have my speed and my direction. Those are my references in OUTER SPACE. Right ?
Now, let's get back to Earth again. Choose two cities from the entire map of the world. Separated from each other by several thousands of miles. And fly a plane at constant speed between them in a straight line. If your 'rotation theory' is true that rotation will massively affect the flight time. Right ?
What's so difficult ? You can't even name two distant cities on planet Earth can you ?
Last edited by Musicology; 04-04-2010 at 02:28 PM.
Ug, from a frame of reference not my physical body in outerspace moron. i.e. looking down at me from a fixed point in space I would not be at rest I would be moving with the rotating Earth. If the solar system is my inertial frame of reference then I would be rotating with the Earth, but with the Earth as my inertial frame of reference I'm at rest.
"If the national mental illness of the United States is megalomania, that of Canada is paranoid schizophrenia."
- Margaret Atwood
Shall I start keeping count of how many times my questions have been ignored?
Go to work, get married, have some kids, pay your taxes, pay your bills, watch your tv, follow fashion, act normal, obey the law and repeat after me: "I am free."
Anon
Orphan Pip,
I have the pleasant task of saying the following -
The average commercial flight time from Miami, FL to Los Angeles, CA is approximately -
5 hours and 45 minutes.
Source - http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:U...&ct=clnk&gl=uk
AND -
The average flight time from Los Angeles to Miami (i.e. a journey in the exact opposite direction) is around the same (allowing for head winds etc)
Is
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WAIT A MINUTE !!! ISN’T THE EARTH SUPPOSED TO BE ‘ROTATING’ AT ALMOST 1,000 MILES AN HOUR BELOW US ? AND IN ONLY ONE DIRECTION ? WHAT ON EARTH............ ???????????????
I am about to jump up in the air and when I land I will be in my neighbour's garden, due to the 'rotation of the Earth'. Try it sometime. Last time I did this I landed on their cabbages and their potatoes. Highly recommended experiment.
lol
Tell me, if you're riding on a train going at a constant speed and you jump in the air do you slam into the back wall? No, because of inertia, I've already explained that the movements of clouds and planes are relative to the Earth's rotation.I am about to jump up in the air and when I land I will be in my neighbour's garden, due to the 'rotation of the Earth'.
"If the national mental illness of the United States is megalomania, that of Canada is paranoid schizophrenia."
- Margaret Atwood
You are also refusing to answer my question about phases, then I can also accuse you of wanting to ignore reality. But let's not go down the mud-route and keep it civilised, shall we.
So, you accept that the cycle of the sun takes one day and that it gets light and dark because you can see it.
Second question:
As you accept that the day-cycle (dark and light) takes 24 hours, you also accept that the orbit of the sun is 24 hours round the earth? Yes?
One has to laugh before being happy, because otherwise one risks to die before having laughed.
"Je crains [...] que l'âme ne se vide à ces passe-temps vains, et que le fin du fin ne soit la fin des fins." (Edmond Rostand, Cyrano de Bergerac, Acte III, Scène VII)
So, a plane flying between Miami and Los Angeles takes approximately the same time as a plane of the same speed travelling from Los Angeles to Miami ? (Allowing for head winds, etc).
YES OR NO ?
Last edited by Musicology; 04-04-2010 at 02:58 PM.
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