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  1. 03-20-2010, 02:03 PM #1
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    Sexuality in pride & prejudice and wuthering heights

    Hi guys,
    im in first year in college and am currently stuck on my english essay title :O


    "Compare and contrast how Austen and Bronte represent sexuality in P&P and Wuthering Heights".

    Im sure to most of you, this may seem pretty easy, but not to me!
    Being the silly girl i am, i havent actually finished either books and know i wont have the time to as the essay is due in 3 days.
    Ive seen both films and know all the themes, characters, plots etc.

    But how do you think i should go about answering this?!
    Ive already made a start on it, but dont want to keep referring to the 'sexual tension' between Elizabeth and Darcy.

    Some opinions and advice on how to tackle the title would be much appreciated!!
    thank you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeycmonkeydo View Post
    Hi guys,
    im in first year in college and am currently stuck on my english essay title :O


    "Compare and contrast how Austen and Bronte represent sexuality in P&P and Wuthering Heights".

    Im sure to most of you, this may seem pretty easy, but not to me!
    Being the silly girl i am, i havent actually finished either books and know i wont have the time to as the essay is due in 3 days.

    I've seen both films and know all the themes, characters, plots etc.

    But how do you think i should go about answering this?!
    Ive already made a start on it, but dont want to keep referring to the 'sexual tension' between Elizabeth and Darcy.

    Some opinions and advice on how to tackle the title would be much appreciated!!
    thank you!
    I think you should go to your teacher and explain that you have not yet read the books and ask for an extension. Then read the books and, as you read them, pay attention to references, either direct or indirect, to sexuality and sexual imagery. Then spend a good deal of time putting together a thoughtful essay.
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    unfortunately im in one of those situations where im just about passing english at this stage..
    im not the best at it and i dont think it would go down well with my professors,
    but thank you

    perhaps if i have 3 different catergories within the essay and work on each one.
    like...spend a third of the essay discussing just elizabeth and darcy,
    then talk about just sexualty in wuthering heights
    and then finish off by comparing them?

    its 1,500 words... so hopefully its do able :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeycmonkeydo View Post
    unfortunately im in one of those situations where im just about passing english at this stage..
    im not the best at it and i dont think it would go down well with my professors,
    but thank you

    perhaps if i have 3 different catergories within the essay and work on each one.
    like...spend a third of the essay discussing just elizabeth and darcy,
    then talk about just sexualty in wuthering heights
    and then finish off by comparing them?

    its 1,500 words... so hopefully its do able :P
    do your own homework
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  5. 03-20-2010, 02:54 PM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeycmonkeydo View Post
    unfortunately im in one of those situations where im just about passing english at this stage..
    im not the best at it and i dont think it would go down well with my professors,
    but thank you

    perhaps if i have 3 different catergories within the essay and work on each one.
    like...spend a third of the essay discussing just elizabeth and darcy,
    then talk about just sexualty in wuthering heights
    and then finish off by comparing them?

    its 1,500 words... so hopefully its do able :P
    If you plan to base your essay on the films, know that your professor is not as stupid as you may think: he/she will realize you have not read the books. Oh well. This is too silly.

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    do my own homework??

    believe me.. i will be doing just that.

    im not planning my essay on the film, im saying that im not a complete stranger to pride & prejudice or wuthering heights.

    we've read the key chapters and scenes during lectures and ive got enough notes and brains myself to do it, even if i do struggle at english.

    but i came on here hoping to possibly discuss sexuality in victorian times..
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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeycmonkeydo View Post
    do my own homework??

    believe me.. i will be doing just that.

    im not planning my essay on the film, im saying that im not a complete stranger to pride & prejudice or wuthering heights.

    we've read the key chapters and scenes during lectures and ive got enough notes and brains myself to do it, even if i do struggle at english.

    but i came on here hoping to possibly discuss sexuality in victorian times..
    Now you are saying something different from your original post. Doesn't matter. You need to work out what you want to do on your own. Austen, btw, is not a Victorian novelist. Writing an essay at the university level, even first year, w/o reading the books is not the smartest thing to do.
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    Here is how you write the paper you described

    In college you need to read the whole book. By yourself. In your free time. It's something called "homework".

    This thing called "homework" is assigned in other classes too. Usually teachers hand out something called a "syllabus" that contains guidlines for when certain homework assignments are due.

    To write an essay you need five things... a thesis, an introduction, a body, a conculsion, and sources. If you don't know what these things are, find out and use them while writing your paper. Two of your sources will be Pride and Predjudice and Wuthering Heights. You should probably have a couple more sources. These are called "secondary sources" and are generally what the College library is used for finding.

    Don't plagerize. Plagerism is the root of all evil. If a professor finds out you have plagerized, you will get an F, and it is easier for a professor to find out that you have plagerized than you might think. If you don't know what plagerism is, look it up, and find out NOW.

    Also, don't procrastinate, though I have a feeling you may have done that already.
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    Well, firstly you had to start earlier with reading. It isn't as if those two books are huge ones. But what's more the problem, is that you cannot find quotes to prove your thesis if you haven't read the book. If you have studied the two books in class, then you'll be a able to come up with some kind of thesis anyway, but we will not give you quotes. That is where I draw the line (apart from for really huge books where you tend to need some help of one who knows the book by heart as you can't remember where the quote occurred). Then I could write your paper for you.

    Really sorry, but start earlier next time.
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    i didnt come on here to be patronised, its a little thing called help,but anyway...
    i have plenty of quotes and managed to get a decent bit on elizabeth & darcy/ sexuality, the problem is heathcliff as hes never appealed to me.

    i know hes inlove with catherine earnshaw, but sexually speaking....
    in comparison, is he as highly sexual towards catherine as darcy is to elizabeth??
    it was unrequited love afterall, so does that not mean that for the entire 20 years after her death, heathclff has been full of sexual tension, even after he died?
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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeycmonkeydo View Post
    i didnt come on here to be patronised, its a little thing called help,but anyway...
    i have plenty of quotes and managed to get a decent bit on elizabeth & darcy/ sexuality, the problem is heathcliff as hes never appealed to me.

    i know hes inlove with catherine earnshaw, but sexually speaking....
    in comparison, is he as highly sexual towards catherine as darcy is to elizabeth??
    it was unrequited love afterall, so does that not mean that for the entire 20 years after her death, heathclff has been full of sexual tension, even after he died?
    ^ I wouldn't put that in your essay.

    Good luck by the way. It's been a while since I've read either of the two novels, so I can't help.
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    I do not see how Darcy is sexual to Lizzie... I would rather see an argument in Lydia and Wickham if you get what I mean.

    Love/being in love is not the same as sexual tension, there is a big difference.

    I would say that there is much much much more tension in Brontë than there ever was in Austen, explicitly.

    Hmm, maybe there is omething in (self-)destruction?
    One has to laugh before being happy, because otherwise one risks to die before having laughed.

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    1. Go to Sparknotes.com
    2. Write down ideas that come to mind when reading Sparknotes. Write them down in your own words or you're screwed.
    3. Find specific passages that support ideas you had/use passages to expand on different ideas and include them in the paper.
    4. Receive passing grade.
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