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    [Quick note: While I completely agree that the Western epistemological model continues to marginalize other literatures (i.e. "World" literature, though that is also an extremely reductive and problematic umbrella term) in favor of Anglophone literary productions, I think there is sufficient malnourishment in any type of literacy and literary competency that is not some type of digital literacy. Many of the undergraduates I teach (especially freshmen) struggle with texts that weren't written 5 minutes ago in a status update--forget trying to teach Milton or any author outside of Western paradigms!]

    In response to the question at hand:

    I think a lot of other people have commented on this, but it really depends on what areas (periods, movements, genres, etc.) you have under your belt already. Most people, when they start university-level literature studies, have a lot of Shakespeare, some Dickens, perhaps Orwell, under their belts. In which periods (in British, American, Canadian and "World" literature) do you feel you lack sufficient reading?

    From a Brit. lit standpoint (seeing as how that's my major area of focus), I know that, upon entering literary studies at college, I realized I was well-read in Victorian literature and Shakespeare, and that was about it. I was shocked by how little I had read in eighteenth-century literature--and would you believe it, it's my area of specialization now. The above poster is probably right--I don't think I've run into too many people who can tell me they've read Richardson's /Pamela/, let alone /Clarissa/, but they were both *major* texts ... still, I've met even fewer people who can talk about Eliza Haywood's works, even though they've all seemingly read Defoe's /Robinson Crusoe/, and both authors were "blockbuster" hits at the time--but I've gone a-ranting.

    I say, if you want to do some reading that is both good for the literature major's soul and delightful at the same time, I'd look at the Restoration comedies--Etheridge Man of Mode, Wycherley The Country Wife, Vanbrugh The Relapse, Behn The Rover ... and even some drama a tad later, like Congreve Way of the World. Most of these plays are on major reading lists and the bonus is they're absolutely hilarious. Libertine poets and, though a bit before the Restoration, Cavalier poets are awesome, too--John Wilmot (aka Earl of Rochester) and Aphra Behn duke it out frequently, and the Cavaliers (Herrick, Herbert, Marvell, Donne, etc) are some of the sexiest poets (though sometimes in unsexy ways...).

    My personal favorite, as far as novelists go, is Frances Burney--her first novel, Evelina, is frequently taught nowadays. But if you want to go for something emotionally moving (the Restoration and 18th-century writers always get me laughing), I'd look at George Eliot (Adam Bede and Middlemarch are ... fantastic), Henry James (Portrait of a Lady), D.H. Lawrence (Sons and Lovers, Women in Love, etc)---some sturdy 19th and 20th century writers, that is. They will always be on undergraduate reading lists--always.

    And there's plenty more ... I'd even suggest looking at some Norton, Longman, and Broadview anthologies to get a feel for what university programs require you to read. They also might get into issues like literary debates, schools of theory, and close-reading and writing practices--tools and skills that you'll develop more and more as you progress toward a degree. In fact, it might do you some good to look up an introduction to literary theory book (Jonathan Culler has a decent one), since that will also be a major body of reading you have to tackle. What I've listed above are just a few biases (occupational hazard) that I know are also frequently taught early on in undergraduate classes, but you certainly should do some prep reading that works toward your own interests. Best of luck
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    In response to what direction I wish to widen my reading, to be honest I'm not entirely sure. I'm only in my first year of the A level course (AS) so I still have plenty of time to read around and find what I enjoy before I go on to degree level.

    At the moment I'm very limited in terms of I've only really read 20th century novels (as well as some Dickens and Shakespeare, as someone predicted) I therefore what to go backwards, preferably getting a wide spectrum to begin with before I target in on what I enjoy.

    However, I'd like to also widen my reading outwards, exploring different cultures. This is less of a priority for me though, more of an interest

    Thanks for all the help so far!

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    Smile If I'm not mistaken

    all the other people that have posted here have tried to open new horizons for you ( I respect them for sharing their treasure of knowledge not only to you but to all of us ) .

    In my opinion you must use every second of your life trying to learn , to read , to study and to wonder before the literature (this unique synthesis of the human spirit ).

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    I also am planning for a double major in both History and Literature. Here are some of the books I have enjoyed and learned from.

    Non-fiction
    A People's History of the United States -Howard Zinn
    Downtown - Pete Hamill

    Fiction must reads are:
    Angela's Ashes
    Forever - Pete Hamill
    Life of Pi
    The Kite Runner

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    Quote Originally Posted by lattywatty View Post
    In response to what direction I wish to widen my reading, to be honest I'm not entirely sure. I'm only in my first year of the A level course (AS) so I still have plenty of time to read around and find what I enjoy before I go on to degree level.

    At the moment I'm very limited in terms of I've only really read 20th century novels (as well as some Dickens and Shakespeare, as someone predicted) I therefore what to go backwards, preferably getting a wide spectrum to begin with before I target in on what I enjoy.

    However, I'd like to also widen my reading outwards, exploring different cultures. This is less of a priority for me though, more of an interest

    Thanks for all the help so far!
    Read more Shakespeare and read Shakespearean criticism. Vanity Fair is very good. I'd probably recommend reading an epic poem (Paradise Lost is the one most people go for but there's always The Faerie Queene or The Divine Comedy).

    Look in your library for things with a Penguin Classics cover; good way to navigate your way around literature.
    The Hunchback of Notre Dame (sometimes called Notre Dame de Paris) would be good for historical as it's 19th century writing about 15th. Anything about wars is a good idea too.

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    You might enjoy Wolf Hall by Hilary Mantel as an example of a modern historical novel.

    An interesting comparison would be Shakespeare's Henry VIII.

    Then you could try David Starkey's Six Wives - The Queens of Henry VIII and Antonia Fraser's The Six Wives of Henry VIII as general introductions in accessible styles to the period.

    That would be just for starters on that small segment of British History that had such far-reaching consequences.

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    The 'widening' literature books that I have read and *really* enjoyed in the past few years:

    RSC Complete Shakespeare
    Montaigne - Complete Essays (Screech translation, there's a 'selected' if this seems a bit much... though all are worth reading...)
    Gilgamesh: A New English Version by Stephen Mitchell (about as far back as you can go!)
    Don Quixote - Cervantes (Edith Grossmann)
    Aeschylus Oresteia (Ted Hughes translation)
    Homer - Odyssey (Rieu translation)
    Madame Bovary - Flaubert
    Nicholas Nickleby - Dickens ( I wish I had read this in my late teens...)
    The Cossacks - Tolstoy (ditto...)
    Divine Comedy - Dante (Mandelbaum translation)

    Widening in other directions:

    A Briefer History of Time - Hawking
    The Black Swan - Taleb
    The God Delusion - Dawkins

    Some modern 'widening' guides:

    What is Ancient Philosophy? Hadot
    Confessions of a Philosopher - Bryan Magee
    The Western Canon - Bloom (Fadiman's similar book is also excellent, and extends into non-Western cultures and 'ancient' works)

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    The best way to broaden one's reading is to walk into a library or a used book store and close one's eyes while walking down a corridor. Then reach out and grasp a book, then repaet a few times. Read those books, regardless of what they may be.

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    PeterL - you are a man after my own heart! I've found some real treasures using this method - a few duds too, but mostly little gems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stlukesguild View Post
    How wide is w---i---d---e? Seriously, I would suggest that anyone wishing to study English literature would do well to have a firm footing in the Bible, the Greeks (especially Homer, Aeschylus, Sophocles, and Euripides) the Romans (Virgil, Ovid, Horace, at a minimum), Dante, Petrarch, Beowulf, Chaucer, Don Quixote, and then the rest of English literature. But I would also think about exploring English literature in relationship to another body of literature: French, Italian, Spanish, Russian... or something further afield: Persian, Arabic, Hebrew, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Latin-American, etc...
    Hi!

    I would like suggestions for winding my literature knowledge. I am 2nd year of theoretical physics and in high school I usually skipped obligatory books in earlier epochs, because they looked boring and not understandable, and concentrate mostly on modern literature . Now I changed my views towards them so I would like suggestions for the key books for the next historical and cultural epochs:

    Ancient Hebrew and Middle East Literature

    Ancient Greece and Rome L

    Medieval Europe L

    Humanism and Renaissance L

    Baroque and Classicism L

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    Quote Originally Posted by Popper View Post
    Hi!

    I would like suggestions for winding my literature knowledge. I am 2nd year of theoretical physics and in high school I usually skipped obligatory books in earlier epochs, because they looked boring and not understandable, and concentrate mostly on modern literature . Now I changed my views towards them so I would like suggestions for the key books for the next historical and cultural epochs:

    Ancient Hebrew and Middle East Literature

    Ancient Greece and Rome L

    Medieval Europe L

    Humanism and Renaissance L

    Baroque and Classicism L
    Try some of these lists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkshadow03 View Post
    Try some of these lists.
    Well, I cannot speak for the other ones, but the Chinese list is like 30-40 years dated, and does not reflect anything really made available since. Nor does it take into account the numerous translations out of China in the past 20 years, which are excellent. As for the Near-East, the list is 3 books, and none Persian/Arabic/Turkish from my reading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBI View Post
    Well, I cannot speak for the other ones, but the Chinese list is like 30-40 years dated, and does not reflect anything really made available since. Nor does it take into account the numerous translations out of China in the past 20 years, which are excellent. As for the Near-East, the list is 3 books, and none Persian/Arabic/Turkish from my reading.
    He put Arabic works and "extended" Jewish works under Middle Ages Reading.

    From a look at his personal lists my guess is he privileged well-established works over cutting-edge ones. I mean the fact that he's using Will Durant's history books as a source for each reading list says it all. These books are generally reliable with a good reputation and fairly well-written so that it sucks you into the cultural zeitgeist, but yes, quited dated in their information and methodological approach, and probably best supplemented with more current book. Although I think reliable enough to still be useful for a general overview.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBI View Post
    Well, I cannot speak for the other ones, but the Chinese list is like 30-40 years dated, and does not reflect anything really made available since. Nor does it take into account the numerous translations out of China in the past 20 years, which are excellent.
    Such as?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mortalterror View Post
    Such as?
    How extensive a list do you want - right now I am kicked out of my university's library resources for the year, and left my books read list at home, but I could come up with a basic list. For instance, the book Fortress Besieged has been translated, as now have collections from most dynasties, and many dramas.

    To start, I would read through the Columbia and Norton anthologies of Chinese literature (classical) and also perhaps the specified ones on Drama and Poetry. That is a good place to start, and the introduction most students get now, as the shift from Confucian and philosophical texts to literary ones has been pronounced.

    Likewise, there is an excellent translation of women's literature now done by Wilt Idema called The Red Brush, which is worth looking at.

    From there, one can look at many names - my lack of link to the Asian Bibliography makes an expansive list difficult, but there are many possibilities.


    Just to give you an idea though of the new range from Chinese presses:

    http://www.chinabooks.ch/catalog/ind...2a&language=en

    Also look into Columbia University's new translations which cover a very wide range.

    http://www.macalester.edu/eastasianp...ranslation.doc

    That is a decent list of contemporary works,and pretty expansive.


    Now of course, the Asian Studies Bibliography is the ultimate resource on this, but I cannot access it right now. Generally most major poets have been translated, and the bulk of major anthologies. There are also a lot of old translations now out of print of major classical texts, especially historical and philosophical ones. The 8 Tang and Song masters, for instance, have rarely been mentioned, but have been available for a long time.

    For more complete lists, please check the Asian Studies Bibliography as it is the most complete.

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