Where did God come from?Originally Posted by JommiL
Where did God come from?
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Hehehhe, you remind me something. Long time ago, my first graders used to ask me this : "Where did God come from? "
Be great in act, as you have been in thought.
William Shakespeare
I don't know why we keep arguing. The more we try to hammer the point home, the more creationists plug their ears and close their eyes... "la la la la I can't hear you!" I don't know why they keep at it, but they do. It is more reasonable to think up a religious theory that takes evolution into account, you can't just ignore scientific facts and hope that they go away. I don't know how you would go about blending science and religion, maybe mutation/natural selection/evolution is the mechanism by which god(s) act... whatever, the point is, I can't respect any religion that chooses to ignore facts outright rather than change with the times. That's counter-productive.
Haha, don't feel bad. Once, I disagreed with Virgil about American politics so he wrote:
It's always the quiet ones.Certainly it would have been interesting to have discussed this with someone who had knowledge of history or economics or had a job or paid bills or had been out in the world or even visited the United States. This is what happens when some 20 year old dope is fed a bunch of garbage over the internet and thinks they understand another country.
Out of the mouthes of babes.
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The post that I was replying to was trying to say that because something exists, such as a watch, then it unreasonable to say that it came from nothing. Well using that logic, and assuming that God does exist then he/she must have been created by something intelligent, or must be designed. Watches were made by man, and so was God*. Maybe you could get one of your first graders to draw it out in crayon for you?
*This opinion has been crafted by the facts as they are. Should someone offer proof that there is indeed a God/Gods I will gladly change that.**
**Not being able to disprove something does not make that certain something true.
To draw for me? Why for me? My answer wasn't ironical, it was just memory, that's all!
Be great in act, as you have been in thought.
William Shakespeare
Funny thing, and revealing; Human mind is so tiny to understand eternity. As bible says, God has no beginning and no end.
If that is the case I apologize. I am glad that I could bring a moment of nostalgia for you. I hope you do understand how one can view your comment as being ironical.
That which is Spirit can be eternal, while that which is physical cannot...according to our Laws of Physics...
Les Miserables,
Volume 1, Fifth Book, Chapter 3
Remember this, my friends: there are no such things as bad plants or bad men. There are only bad cultivators.
Dude, the Laws of Physics say nothing about "Spirit" or "eternity", in case you didn't know, physics has nothing to do with anything but the physical world, it has nothing to say about the spiritual world or it's existence/non-existence because it isn't philosophy or religion.
The Moments of Dominion
That happen on the Soul
And leave it with a Discontent
Too exquisite — to tell —
-Emily Dickinson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVW8GCnr9-I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckGIvr6WVw4
2nd Law
Les Miserables,
Volume 1, Fifth Book, Chapter 3
Remember this, my friends: there are no such things as bad plants or bad men. There are only bad cultivators.
Which particular law of physics is that? Did they repeal the first law of thermodynamics ("Energy and Matter in the universe are constant") when no one was looking?
Regards,
Istvan
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— Sam Harris
Daniel, check out a book called the Physics of Christianity...there are also other books written by physicists that cover the subject of cosmological singularity.
"But do you really, seriously, Major Scobie," Dr. Sykes asked, "believe in hell?"
"In flames and torment?""Oh, yes, I do."
"That sort of hell wouldn't worry me," Fellowes said."Perhaps not quite that. They tell us it may be a permanent sense of loss."
"Perhaps you've never lost anything of importance," Scobie said.
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Orphan; No it is not silly. Because scientists can calculate exact position for moon and planets, because they are moving extremely accurate.
Let me ask one question; EVERY material in this world will shrink when it´s temperature is getting colder. But there´s one exception. What it is? Water. Why? Because if water would shrink when it turns into ice, it would get more heavier than normal water, and it would sink into bottom of the seas. Result would be that quite soon bottom of the seas would be filled with ice. Do you think this is just coincidence?
Let´s get forward; Why earth is in angled? It´s position is not straight. If it would be straight, other side on the earth would be very hot, and other would be filled with ice. No reason to say, would this kind of circumstances allow that kind of rich life, that we see here now? Now when that little angle exists, we have opportunity to see and feel and live in different seasons.
And also; If nature has no laws, why very often we must copy things from it? Very few materials has that kind of features that there´s in nature. Let´s think about bones. Bones has very strong structure, they are very tough, but still they are very, very light. What happen, if our bones would be something like a steel? Moving would be quite difficult. And why bones are often hollow? Because hollow bone is A/ lighter and B/ stronger than solid one.
What if ozon layer would missing? What if earth would be littlebit more closer on farer from the sun? What if there´s no such thing like gravity? Can you imagine? Why just we have something like air? How our senses, mind, consciousness and thought are born? How we can see colours? Are these coincidences too? If you see even a henhouse in the fields, you would ever believe, if i told you that it came from nothing. And gravity... well, it is littlebit larger and more difficult thing than henhouse.
Perhaps you should read some chapters from book of Job, for example 38 and 39, and think again about your question?
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I have no idea where you learned basic chemistry, but I suggest you go back to it. All liquids become more dense as they get colder, as ice forms it becomes less dense because of the structure of the rigid hydrogen bonds.
The notion of the fine-tuned Earth is by itself logically flawed. If the Earth were not capable of sustaining life, then life would not have been able to evolve, or it would have evolved differently.
You are attaching tautologies to natural processes because you want to see a purpose in it. What you are doing is no different from the ancient Greeks assuming that lightning was the anger of the gods.
"If the national mental illness of the United States is megalomania, that of Canada is paranoid schizophrenia."
- Margaret Atwood
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