The Manufacture of Mozart

[yanni]

Stop wasting your GM potatoes (you never did read my "Poe decoded" thread) and by all means dispute the "Seven operas by Mozart".

Cheers.

[Musicology]

Fortunately I don't use GM potatoes ! But we still have this year to get some real seeds, right ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94d-K...om=PL&index=19


As for the 'autograph' scores of 7 operas of Mozart (a subject inspired by your gift of information on their commercial publication) I will resist the temptation of discussing them here unless/until I have evidence of the interest of a certain Yanni.

Regards

Stop wasting your GM potatoes (you never did read my "Poe decoded" thread) and by all means dispute the "Seven operas by Mozart".

Cheers.

[yanni]

Your resistance to the powers of evil is legendary already.

[Musicology]

Thank you Yanni. Your resistance to answering straight questions is becoming even more legendary !

But, as for the first, the truth is all power worthy of our attention is an antidote to its counterfeits.

[yanni]

"Fair" enough!

[Musicology]

Many thanks

"Fair" enough!

Sergi Prokofiev
Piano Concerto 3
3rd Movement
Live

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V030G...eature=related

[yanni]

The famous french chess player and opera composer, a friend of "Rousseau" ,"Philidor", has just been included in the list of Gioachino Cocchi aliases.

Philidor's London presences confirm

a)That "Chastellux" travelled to London from USA the summer of 1782 (to return there again at fall)
b)That the "comte de Saint Germain" was very well connected to the british upper class as from 1777, including Lord Shelbourne* (irish prime minister of Britain as from 1782).
c)That before finally settling in Russia, Cocchi arranged "Philidor's London death" in 1795.

*See list of contributors to his chess periodical at "Chess History and Reminiscences by Henry Edward Bird"

Cheers.

[Musicology]

Ah, yes, Yanni !

Lord Shelbourne. With his links to the British East India Company, to the Gordon Riots. To Jacobinism and even to the smooth transition period of 'Mozart's genius'. Not to mention their involvement in controlling the later stages of the French Revolution.

You have to hand it to those guys. In place of fugue they gave us candyfloss.

Regards

BWV 543/2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FboiW...eature=related

The famous french chess player and opera composer, a friend of "Rousseau" ,"Philidor", has just been included in the list of Gioachino Cocchi aliases.

Philidor's London presences confirm

a)That "Chastellux" travelled to London from USA the summer of 1782 (to return there again at fall)
b)That the "comte de Saint Germain" was very well connected to the british upper class as from 1777, including Lord Shelbourne* (irish prime minister of Britain as from 1782).
c)That before finally settling in Russia, Cocchi arranged "Philidor's London death" in 1795.

*See list of contributors to his chess periodical at "Chess History and Reminiscences by Henry Edward Bird"

Cheers.

[yanni]

The Gordon riots of 1778-1780 were against Roman Catholics in general and the British-Austria alliance (promoted by hardliners who were against American Independence) in particular

Cotton candy was invented in 1897.

"fugue" originates from grk φυγή ie getaway, escape.

"Keep walking"!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyYvk...eature=related

[Musicology]

Well, the Gordon Riots (1778-1780) were acts of violence that were 'stage managed' by the occultists of the British East India Company in London to coincide with similar events in France whose influence (through fraternities etc), by this time, had become enormous within the government of that time. (The end result of this Venetian import of occultism and the mercantile formation of the British Empire). They were what we might call an early 'false flag operation'. Which is why I wrote as I did. The 'rioters' were imported into London from elsewhere. By them. A fact not refered to in textbooks these days, of course ! Which is why I refered to Shelburne. In point of fact religious toleration was a great feature of English society for centuries and there was never a time when Roman Catholics could not be Roman Catholics in England. The only issue that prevented them sitting in the British government was if they refused to acknowledge the lawful government of Britain and its laws in preference to their obedience to the Bishop of Rome and his dogmas. (This was, you may remember, the same papacy who had taken the step of excommunicating ALL British people at the time of Elizabeth 1st. Who had even excommunicated her. Who had ordered all British Catholics to disobey the laws of England. In writing). The same papacy who had at that time ordered all British people to ignore the laws of England and the leadership of the British state. Just before the Spanish Armada of 1588). An excommunication which was never reversed. Which is why the 'Act of Settlement' was made at Parliament - which makes it clear that leaders of government in Britain must give their first allegiance to the government of our nation and its laws and not to a foreign power. A fair and reasonable requirement, you surely agree ? But it was one which Roman Catholics continued to reject up until the 'Act of Settlement' and beyond. Which was partly the reason for arranging these stage-managed 'Gordon Riots'. So much for Cocchi and Shelburne etc. Yes ? For the truth of these things (the Gordon Riots and their 'stage management' here, for example) -

http://american_almanac.tripod.com/bentham.htm

As for 'candy floss' (also known as 'cotton candy') it's very ancient -In ancient Persia, 'Pashmak', and known in Turkey as 'Pişmaniye'.

I smile at your use of 'Fugue' (the DNA of musical composition) but of course happily surrender to your Greek meanings. To 'escape' from the music industry is no bad thing !

Speaking of which - for your delicate ears, Yanni - this Bach/Vivaldi concerto -

BWV 1065

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sdaV...4691B0&index=1

Still walking !

Regards

The Gordon riots of 1778-1780 were against Roman Catholics in general and the British-Austria alliance (promoted by hardliners who were against American Independence) in particular

Cotton candy was invented in 1897.

"fugue" originates from grk φυγή ie getaway, escape.

"Keep walking"!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyYvk...eature=related

[yanni]

"So much for Cocchi and Shelburne etc. Yes ? For the truth of these things (the Gordon Riots and their 'stage management' here, for example) - "

If you r e a l l y want an answer to that one, I suggest(for the nth time) you ask your italian associates (recollet occultists, I imagine) on Cocchi's 1778 whereabouts.

All sources (but me), Grove included, want him in Naples at the time, composing church music.

Escaping from the music industry?

A parallel comes to mind of those wonderfully obedient Titanic violinists accompanying with their fugues people perishing in the black sea, patiently waiting their turn.

Cheers.

[Musicology]

Yes Yanni,

You refered to Shelburne and I've explained (and shown) the nature of Shelburne's career. And of the East India Company. Which you ignore. Although you can read the article for yourself. Which I recommend since Cocchi, Rousseau and Voltaire were all part of the same network. The Gordon Riots were another attempt to show, clearly, the role of the mercantile empire of the occultists, stage managing the political world of the late 18th century. Since you may have missed reading about this here it is again - (it may help put the career of your Cocchi into better focus) -

http://american_almanac.tripod.com/bentham.htm

By this time also, King George III had declared himself wholly subservient to the Shelburne-led East India Company faction--the Venetian Party.

and also -

The Jacobin insurrection in Paris during 1791-93 was a replay on grander scale of the earlier Shelburne-instigated Gordon Riots, down to the storming of the Bastille prison and the unleashing of the criminals.

Not forgetting -

At the very moment of his taking up with Bentham, Lord Shelburne was in the process of launching his most daring political intrigues.
In June 1780, weary of the failed prosecution of the war in North America, and convinced that the ministry of Lord George North would bring eternal ruin to his dreams of permanent empire, Lord Shelburne, through the East India Company and its allied Baring Bank, bankrolled a Jacobin mob to descend upon London, ostensibly in protest over the granting of Irish reforms. The so-called Irish reforms amounted to little more than forced conscription of Irishmen into the British Army to fight in North America--a move Shelburne hoped would also defeat the pro-American republican movement inside Ireland that had nearly launched its own revolt against Britain in 1779.

Led by Lord George Gordon, the Protestant rabble stormed Westminster, sending parliamentarians and lords alike down flights of stairs, out windows, and to the hospitals. For eight days, London was ransacked, culminating in the storming of the Newgate Prison and the freeing of all the prisoners, who joined in the assault on the Parliament building.

Lord Shelburne, as head of the interior committee of the House of Lords, personally ensured the maximum terror by delaying the reading of the Riot Act (which would have called out the Home Guard) until violence had spread to every corner of the city. When the flames subsided, the ministry of Lord North was in ashes as well. North resigned as prime minister, and within months, Shelburne was himself in the new Rockingham cabinet as foreign secretary for the Northern District, subsuming the North American colonies. From that post, he would be the principal negotiator in Paris across the table from Benjamin Franklin.


As for Titanic violinists 'playing fugues', no, they did not.

"So much for Cocchi and Shelburne etc. Yes ? For the truth of these things (the Gordon Riots and their 'stage management' here, for example) - "

If you r e a l l y want an answer to that one, I suggest(for the nth time) you ask your italian associates (recollet occultists, I imagine) on Cocchi's 1778 whereabouts.

All sources (but me), Grove included, want him in Naples at the time, composing church music.

Escaping from the music industry?

A parallel comes to mind of those wonderfully obedient Titanic violinists accompanying with their fugues people perishing in the black sea, patiently waiting their turn.

Cheers.

[Musicology]

Yanni,

I do not know Cocchi's whereabouts in 1778 although I know for sure from around early 1772 he was based again in Venice. He did not, as has been alleged, resume his post at the Incurabili. That was now held by the composer Galuppi until the hospital’s reorganization in 1776, when the musical staff was dismissed. The choir, however, continued its concerts, and Cocchi is known to have still written for it as late as 1784. It is possible (I suggest) he visited Paris and England in early 1778 (visiting London, Bath and several estates in England that year) although I base this opinion only on the fact that during that year in England there were several important musical events involving others of his network in England.

Rgds

[yanni]

In other words, Robert, your "Venetian occultists" at the time were staging a counterattack against your previous "jesuit culprits", making "your" Britain a battling ground where those "blame for all" foreigners were settling their disputes, huh?

Make up your mind, will you?

BTW Cocchi was serving as war minister of France 1776-1778!

Cheers!

[Musicology]

I think you are a little confused. I do not subsribe to your Cocchi alias theory. But you seem determined to impose it on me all the same.

I am saying Goacchino Cocchi (1712-1796) who died in Venice in 1796, may have been in Paris and in England in the year you are asking about, 1778. But you may believe as you like, of course.

Here are details of the sale of a Gainsborough painting made of Tenducci. With some notes of the kind of musical contacts G. Cocchi would have had in England during the time he was there. (Cocchi is refered to here as you see).

As for your misunderstanding on the events of this period, it is simple to understand we are dealing here not with one power (The Holy Roman Empire) but two, the second being the occultist Venetian fraternities which had been transplanted into England at the time of Henry 8th (as previously said) and which, by the 18th century, through the growing British mercantile empire, took over the nation. By means of controlling the East India Company and, in Holland, through the Dutch East India Company) as a way to expand their influence internationally. This Venetian 'invasion' of England began from the time when the Jesuit Order were first created. Supported by Venice. Since the Jesuit support of occultism is plain in many, many ways. As in, for example, the Illuminatists, the Rosicrucians, the Freemasons etc. And successfully infiltrating the British government and society through these occultist fraternities. By the time of Cocchi and Mozart this occultism had become deeply rooted in England and across most of Europe. Bypassing the old theological emnities between Catholics and Protestants. But the aim of these occultists was the same. A continuing counter-reformation. Now waged in the secular sense. Whose aim was ultimately to restore to the control of Rome their rule over the nations. The 'Gordon Riots' in England were an example of 'divide and rule'. Managed by Shelburne and others. As said.

England could not be conquered by theology. It was, however, conquered through the greed of its merchant classes and its ruling aristocracy. Which is how the legal system of England (a newly invented system known as 'English Common Law') was slowly invented and imposed on its colonies as their empire expanded. That hybrid legal system which was now imposed on England and the legal industry and elsewhere was really a mixture of Admiralty Law, canon law, Roman civil law, and many other things. Which slowly bypassed the real law of England, the Common Law. And still does today.

The British Empire thus became an occultist centre. With the City of London, its banking system, its Freemasonry (this widely exported from the early 18th century) and its government and intelligence services now inflitrated by these same occultists. Including organisations such as the Royal Society etc. Creating an established class which supports and depends on the monarchy to this day. Since all monarchies of England had, from the time of the Norman Invasion of 1066, pledged their allegiance and that of their successors to the Papacy. Indeed, the British monarchy is the product of the papacy. This unwelcome fact is still true today. Explaining the rise of corporate government, of feudalism, and of empires ever since.

http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...G1ACEWCENUK313

In other words, Robert, your "Venetian occultists" at the time were staging a counterattack against your previous "jesuit culprits", making "your" Britain a battling ground where those "blame for all" foreigners were settling their disputes, huh?

Make up your mind, will you?

BTW Cocchi was serving as war minister of France 1776-1778!

Cheers!