apologies all. I'm notoriously stubborn.
apologies all. I'm notoriously stubborn.
The main difference between homeschooling and unschooling is that homeschooling usually always consists of some particular curriculum that is followed by the student. In unschooling, however, there is no "forced" curriculum. Homeschooling is more parent led learning whereas unschooling is more child led learning.Originally Posted by juketay
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Actually youll find there is a loop hole in that law. Around where we live here in the uk there are groups of Travllers and fairground people who do still travel and becasue they do obvioulsy they dont attend school instead the government supplies travlling teachers who go along with them when they are on the eroad and if they are in a town for a certain time they have to attend that school. I know there are kids in my mums school who through te year will go to about 4 differant schools. Also child actors etc can be home schooled but again by special government supplied teachers.
My mum got us a homeschooling thing once , becasue the summer holidays were 3 months long ( from may to the middle of spt) and we got bored so she decided to teach us. and the idea was it would continue through school. But I do have to say it those 3 months well rather some of the books that came as part of course have shaped me more than anyothers the history book was FASCINATINg and then theyre were 2 books on myths.
But at the same time I know of alot of homeschool kids who just fall to pices when they go off to university.
True story: This boy was home schooled all his life in a very religious home he was bloody genius and miles ahead academically so hegot accepted to college/university ( which is it in the states?) when hed just turned 16. within six months he was on drugs, failing...I think he got kicked out... prison, etc etc etc
The problem was hed never really been in contact with 'thoses kinds of peopel' also he lacked the social maturity despite the academic and intellectual ones at 16 to deal with be pushed out of the nest as it were.
The greatest thingabout school and I practillcly lived in a school enviroment from when I was 2 is that you do meet bullies, and liars and cheats you get the obressive bigioted idiots and the free thinkers ( and thats just the teachers) you learn to survive people or you sink.
almost completly OT but yes everyone should learn a second languge...especially people in the EU but even more paticually the UK. YOu get continet nearly everyone can speak english but do we even try properly to learn other languges? Nooo I think the EU schol make it compulsory to start learning a secondlanguge right from the first day of school at 5/6 . end rant.Do you necessarily have to, if English is your first language ?
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Oh we used to have kids from the circus that would come to school for like 1-2 months while the circus was there, and then moved to somewhere else...of course it was a kind of weird situation...
I recently learnt that Italy is the only place where you get homework to do during the holidays...My mum got us a homeschooling thing once , becasue the summer holidays were 3 months long ( from may to the middle of spt) and we got bored so she decided to teach us. and the idea was it would continue through school. But I do have to say it those 3 months well rather some of the books that came as part of course have shaped me more than anyothers the history book was FASCINATINg and then theyre were 2 books on myths.
And well my mum taught me to read before I went to school, but that's because I was costantly asking about letters...
That was my concern...But at the same time I know of alot of homeschool kids who just fall to pices when they go off to university.
True story: This boy was home schooled all his life in a very religious home he was bloody genius and miles ahead academically so hegot accepted to college/university ( which is it in the states?) when hed just turned 16. within six months he was on drugs, failing...I think he got kicked out... prison, etc etc etc
The problem was hed never really been in contact with 'thoses kinds of peopel' also he lacked the social maturity despite the academic and intellectual ones at 16 to deal with be pushed out of the nest as it were.
That's what I was saying tooThe greatest thingabout school and I practillcly lived in a school enviroment from when I was 2 is that you do meet bullies, and liars and cheats you get the obressive bigioted idiots and the free thinkers ( and thats just the teachers) you learn to survive people or you sink.
That would totally make it another topic...almost completly OT but yes everyone should learn a second languge...especially people in the EU but even more paticually the UK. YOu get continet nearly everyone can speak english but do we even try properly to learn other languges? Nooo I think the EU schol make it compulsory to start learning a secondlanguge right from the first day of school at 5/6 . end rant.
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I remembered today that I forgot to ask one thing: what about employers? What happens when a homeschooled kid looks for a job? Assuming that anything at all happens, but you get me... is it a plus, or doesn't it matter at all?
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No they do that here too but at the most it takes you 2 days to get through it if you do it all in one go unless its the holidays between years 10-11 and 12-13 mostly becasue the exams are at the the end of the second years so its just like a long holiday in the middle of the one year.
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What???I used to get lots of homework during the holdays!!! Lots!!! Kids don't know how good they have it today.
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Hello everyone... I've got a topic which I recently posted which alludes to some of the views discussed in this Homeschooling topic. I believe that homeschooling results in antisocialism which is an EXTREMELY light form of a situation which can turn into a major problem (similar to mine) if left unabated. Leaving antisocialism unabated in homeschooling children can evolve into drastic Unibomber type-thinking (dramatic mood changes, anger strikes(which can last several weeks), thoughts of suicide and killing and plans of running away from home). I have felt all of these through my experience with homeschooling but DON'T let this deter some of you older forum members here who might be thinking of homeschooling their children. My situation perhaps is a singular one because I am the only child and I have a mother who is completely oblivious of everything that isn't learning-oriented. But OTHER situations where antisocialism might not be too much of a problem, because there is more than one child in the family, the child has relatives, or social friends...I believe homeschooling can be very helpful. On the bright side, homeschooling puts the participating child at a very high advantage over normally schooled kids, many of the reasons for this have been stated previously...(freedom to take whatever classes, addition and lessening of time needed for specific subjects, and no dress code).
Yes, I believe the "no dress code" part of homeschooling is the most comfortable liesure of this system. I do most of my work either in my boxers or topless pajamas and the only individuals who see me are my dog and mom.. There is a great deal of comfort in the environment of homeschooling mainly because... its your living environment lol.. It's home..
The downside is.. most homeschoolers (or maybe its only me?) have full work loads all during the summer, Christmas, all the other major holidays... and their birthdays. Actually it was worse for me on my birthday. I had a full work load plus I had to volunteer for hours at the Museum of Discovery.
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Yes, you're right. I agree with you because you're saying that homeschooling isn't necessarily bad but isn't necessarily good either. Homeschooling does not work for all people because of various circumstances but that doesn't mean it doesn't work at all. But I'm sorry you had full work loads throughout the year. My family does that only if we're behind on anything.
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Speaking of homework, this is a wrong concept that those who go to schools don't get enough homework now a days. We get so much homework in Summer Vacations that my happiness (which is always present when Summer holidays are going to come) is getting lesser and lesser day by day, just thinking of the dreaded homework I would get.
And even in regular days, we get homework on daily basis. Not too much to overload us, but three homeworks per day are quite common, not counting Math work which we get daily.
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only three wow your lucky then agian I never did my homework and was always getting in trouble for that
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Andave invited me to check out this thread after I had posted Anti-school sentiment.
Many here in this thread have agreed that they are "just discussing" and not trying to sway each other - and admitted that they themselves will not be swayed. I find that disconcerting and kind of embarrassing for you all. I see a lot of intelligence here and it has swayed me...
I am convinced that I must watch out for my own children, that they not be so unprepared for the idiots in the world that university drives them crazy.
I like the idea of being prepared for the real world, but subjecting my children to the horrors of school so that they will be prepared for similar horrors in the "real world" is ridiculous. The real world imposes organic laws, provided by the nature of man and human society, not made up by legislatures and teachers. If you don't see the differences, do a little more digging. Some philosophy on the nature and origins of authority might be useful.
I suppose there are legislated laws that the real world imposes - taxes, for example. And school is certainly a good preparation if you want your children to peacefully accept whatever burden their state heaps upon their backs without any protest. "Good schooling" could have prevented the American Revolution, I guess. Maybe the French Revolution too. Hmm...
We in the USA use the terms college and university interchangeably, but college is a bit less "elite". We have places of higher learning called "community college," as well as other places called "four-year universities". Community colleges are very rarely called university, but the four-year universities are often called college.
For anyone intelligent enough to recognize that being swayed is a good thing, check out mises.org for discussion of the interplay between freedom and government. You can also check out The Underground History of American Education for a specific example of this playing out in the USA in the area of education. The entire book is free online.
Is it called "compulsive schooling" rather than "coercive schooling" because of the connotation?
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I know this is an older thread, but as it has just resurfaced and it is something I might be able to articulately phrase an opinion on, I'm going to comment...
I agree with neither public schooling (institutional) or homeschooling.
Having always attended public school, I've found it extremely troubling that so many morals and ideals are instilled in children by teachers. Frankly, especially once we reach the high school age, I think school should be a place to go, and learn, and leave. Not to be shaped morally and socially. *massive eye roll*. That is the parents responsibility, and it scares me that it is so subtly put into the hands of institutions and teachers- teachers who view things subjectively and are subject to a personal opinion which they often try to press onto children. Example: I am a believer in eugenics, and ALWAYS had history teachers tell me that was WRONG. That is NOT their place to say. It is their place to teach me FACT. FACT FACT FACT FACT FACT. Also, I never believed in standing for the National Anthem, and despite having my own reasons, it caused me a lot of problems up until the very day I dropped out.
I think the exposure offered in public schools is important. I hated the social environment of highschool and public school, but I still believe it was important to me learning to communicate and socialize properly. Being exposed to strangers and a variety of peer issues and decisions obviously taught me some important lessons.
I also do not agree with homeschooling. While there are benefits, such as the flexibility of time, curriculum, etc, one never really has that social exposure. I can't imagine what it would be like to go from being homeschooled my entire life to going to University. o_O. There would be thousands of loud, weird strangers running around me, some of whom were mutual friends since Kindergarten, or even grade 6, or 9, and I wouldn't have that social connection. I wouldn't know how to cope in large crowds or participate in group discussions. I would be used to my Mother or Father's appraisal, not a big red 'b+' with the comments, 'Good, but needs work', on it. I would have no common ground with anybody. I just think it would be a very lonely world, home schooling... the biggest benefit I can see is that instilling moral values and beliefs is in the hands of the parents, not the institution. I do think however that it is more realistic. Instead of being in a created, controlled, environment like at public school, you are in your own environment and constantly in the 'real world', not switching back and forth between 'I'm at school' and 'I'm out living'. At least that's my personal opinion.
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I told my Mom about the swearing and her opinion was that people who swear left and right really don't have a grasp of language and I agree with her.
Do you think I don't really have a grasp of language?
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Bec, I enjoyed reading your opinion - you put it very nicely. But, what do you agree with, then?
Today at math class I overheard one guy say to another "I don't understand this [bleep]"Do you think I don't really have a grasp of language?
My (mental) response? "Oh there's not much to understand. It's just food that's gone through your digestive system.
A couple weeks ago in my theater class a guy walked up to me to get his stuff from the seat next to me. Out of the blue, he says "To be or not to be, that is the [bleepbleepbleep] question.
Actually, the question is, can a question do that?And, what's the mother of a question?
So, I still think people who swear don't have a grasp of the English language. I can understand swearing to vent, although I don't like it, but why else would one need to?
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Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."
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