http://shakespeareauthorship.com/
"Ultimo" means "the worst" in Spanish
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http://shakespeareauthorship.com/
"Ultimo" means "the worst" in Spanish
X
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This is a post post script to my message above. I had a few minutes and was curious enough to watch the video link that Ultimo posted earlier, which explained what I had missed connecting before, namely that Michelangelo Florio was John Florio's father and a tutor to Lady Jane Grey. That at least sounds like a more plausible candidate than the fellow sitting in Sicilia that I was imagining above, so I can see that there's a certain level of logic to this argument that I was missing before. I still think the theory is dead wrong. I've seen a lot of different authorship theories, but really don't see any need to presume that Shakespeare was anyone other than Shakespeare. However, this is actually a rather fun one as far as "who was Shakespeare" theories go. I had heard the son, John (Giovanni) Florio proposed before as a possible Shakespeare, but anyone who's read his rhetorical style would know that's simply an impossibility. I haven't read Michelangelo Florio's works (I think I remember he wrote some sort of handbook for Italian language instruction?), but I would be very surprised if his facility with English came anywhere near what the author of Shakespeare's plays demonstrates.
Last edited by Petrarch's Love; 02-16-2009 at 11:08 PM.
"In rime sparse il suono/ di quei sospiri ond' io nudriva 'l core/ in sul mio primo giovenile errore"~ Francesco Petrarca
"Follies and nonsense, whims and inconsistencies do divert me, I own, and I laugh at them whenever I can."~ Jane Austen
In Italiano :
Prima parte
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoYlnccGvic
Seconda parte
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O3oX...eature=related
Terza parte
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l539x...eature=related
If anyone of us speak italian...
Is uncorrectOriginally Posted by xman
"Ultimo" means "The Last" in Italian or Latin.
Okay, technically the literal translation is "last", but it is used to mean "the worst" in Spanish. I don't know how Italians who are wrong about Shakespearean authorship use it.
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He was a dreamer, a thinker, a speculative philosopher... or, as his wife would have it, an idiot. ~ Douglas Adams
I'm italian, speak italian and I don't use spanish words.
The videos are very repetitive, and the cinematography is jarring.
Next time they'll recruit Franco Zeffirelli....
If your mission, seriously, is to change 5 centuries of credibility in the english world then you've got your work cut out for you, and surely you don't believe that talking to maybe, ten, people here, will change the world perception?
These ten person are not the whole world....it's a kind of thumbnail.
You know?
...I'm only breaking a little gate in the mistification's wall.
This question is creating interest, I seem...
Last edited by Ultimo; 02-17-2009 at 01:49 PM.
heh, mystification, right.
http://shakespeareauthorship.com/howdowe.html
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He was a dreamer, a thinker, a speculative philosopher... or, as his wife would have it, an idiot. ~ Douglas Adams
The theory on the "Italian Shakespeare" is true,and a friend of mine who studies english literature confirmed it.
Ciao Alice!
Well, you're both wrong then. My friends who are Professors of English literature confirm that so you're soooooooooooooooooo out trumped. :P
He was a dreamer, a thinker, a speculative philosopher... or, as his wife would have it, an idiot. ~ Douglas Adams
Michelangelo Florio of Calvanist religion, lived part of his life evading the religious persecutions at Palermo, Messina, Venice & Verona. He later lived in Stratford and London. He was the author of many tragedies and comedies which demonstrated his familiarity with the Italian scene.
We now proceed into a part of this tale that would have done credit to the imaginative logic of Frederick Forsyth.
After constantly running away from religious persecution, he arrived in Stratford, where he was the guest of a traveling player and drunkard, who treated him as a son, above all because he reminded him of his own child, William, who had died So he begins to be affectionately known as "William".
Translate the last name of his mother's lineage from "Crolla lanza" or "scrolla la lancia" to "shake the speare" and voila; "William Shakespeare" no longer prosecutable as a runaway heretic, but forced to hold the mystery of his true identity and origins.
The tale then evolves further. The son of Michelangelo Florio, via an English mother was John Florio, known in Italian as Giovanni Florio but who in his writings assumed an English identity.This Florio had many patrons. He says that he lived some years with the Earl of Southampton, Henry Wriothesley, possibly the young man in Shakespeare's Sonnets. Whatever the case, his knowledge of the same circle as the playwright, his education, facility with a wide vocabulary and with Italian literatue would have offered him the opportunity to refine the English language through playwriting. Were Florio and the Bard one and the same? Did they forge a collaborative working relationship?
Who knows? The limited biography of Shakespeare, compared to the popularity of his theatrical work is the crux and he is often suspected of being the front for other writers.
What a great fiction. You should write a story. It's just like the Davinci Code and that one was real popular.
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