i thought at that time they were famous ports for trade? do u mean semi-literate? i think you are underestimating common knowledge which is always far greater than what is read in school classesOriginally Posted by Ultimo
i thought at that time they were famous ports for trade? do u mean semi-literate? i think you are underestimating common knowledge which is always far greater than what is read in school classes
No-one William Shakespeare appears in the registers of Stratford's Schools...why ?
The originals, autographed, plays of Shakespear's never founded ? Why ?
Why in the register of a Club of Straford (that Shakespeare frequented) appears the name "Michelangelo Florio" and not "William Shakespeare"?....
Michelagnolo Florio Crollalanza gradueted in the University of Messina, travelled around Italy (Roma, Padova, Venezia, Verona) Greece, Denmark... () and others places.
In the "Merchant of Venice" result references and calls of the venecians laws that only who lived or visited the city was able to know.The same discourse we can do about others contained of others plays...
A question : but if Shakespears were italian what is the problem?
It's a wound on the english proud?
No, the point is the evidence is against you, and if you read The Merchant of Venice, you would note that a) the pound of flesh tradition is sourced elsewhere, and b) he didn't actually know Venetian law, proven by the forced conversion, which is nowhere to be found in Venetian law.
The point is, it is safe to say that linguistically, those texts are English, and very heavily English, making it seem that the author, if not a native speaker, was most necessarily amongst the most proficient speakers of the language of his time. Secondly, biography makes no difference - the texts are 16th-17th century documents, and written in English, which proves he is an English creation regardless. It's the texts that matter, and any quibbling over the authorship is mere stupidity. No real scholar actually would agree with any "new identity". The whole identity question is actually regarded by any credible Shakespeare scholar as one to stay away from, given that it is considered better to address what we do know about Shakespeare, that is, his plays and poems, rather than speculating about biography.
Really I should know better...
Inaccurate as evidence, 400+ year old school records missing, would you expect to find them? You would find it hard to find evidence of my school records, does that make me Italian? As much as I love Italy, no.No-one William Shakespeare appears in the registers of Stratford's Schools...why ?
The originals, autographed, plays of Shakespear's never founded ? Why ?
Why in the register of a Club of Straford (that Shakespeare frequented) appears the name "Michelangelo Florio" and not "William Shakespeare"?....
Plays never originally meant to be read, no copyright over ownership of plays so very few ever produced. Let me know if you do find an original autographed first edition of Hamlet, I'll buy it off you for a few quid and sell it on again for millions.
Again are you going to submit a register from a club from 400+ years as proof that Shakespeare didn't exist? Really, are you goint to write the next instalment of The Da Vinci Code?
Good for him, hope he had a good holiday.Michelagnolo Florio Crollalanza gradueted in the University of Messina, travelled around Italy (Roma, Padova, Venezia, Verona) Greece, Denmark... (
In the end nothing matters but the words on the page, but as much as you seem to want to claim Shakespeare as your own I'm afraid he'll always be English. You'll just have to make do with Dante, but didn't you hear Dante was really John Smith from Barnsley, he's English too!A question : but if Shakespears were italian what is the problem?
It's a wound on the english proud?
I 100% agree with you.
Besides, If he wasnt english, than where did he get his extensive knowledge of english history and monarchs?
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The historical, documented, biography of Michelagnolo Florio Crollalanza.
Michelagnolo borned in Messina 23 april 1564, was the son of Giovanni Florio (medic from Palermo) and the noble-woman Guglielma Crollalanza.
At 16 gratueted at "Gimnasium" in latin, greek and history.
Very young wrote a dialectical play “Tantu trafficu ppi nenti” that appears 50 years after as "Much about to do".
He left Messina because his father was persecuted by the Holy Inquisition (he was jewish and calvinist).
He went first in Valtellina and then in Milan, Padova, Verona, Faenza and Venezia.
At 21 anni Michelangelo started his personal “travel around the world”: he went first in Athen (where teached) then in Denmark, Austria, France, Spain.
At the end of travel Michelangelo lived in Venezia but, after his father killed (and after the death of his beloved girl Giulietta) he saved himself escaping in London.
Here Michelangelo Florio Crollalanza turned identity and became William Shakespeare, taking his name (William appunto) maybe by the male traduction of mother's name "Guglielma Crollalanza" became "William Shakespeare".
Faithfully translated.
From here, he started to wrote plays with the help of his english wife (married at 28) for translation.
nope. doesnt fit.
"Come away O human child!To the waters of the wild, With a faery hand in hand, For the worlds more full of weeping than you can understand."
W.B.Yeats
"If it looks like a Dwarf and smells like a Dwarf, then it's probably a Dwarf (or a latrine wearing dungarees)"
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hmm an interesting point. so interesting that i will start a new thread in its honour in general literature part of t'forum.
Yet, is fitter than them the ridicolous history of the Stratford's glover
By the local citizens and by local library.Elementary, Dear WatsonBesides, If he wasnt english, than where did he get his extensive knowledge of english history and monarchs?
It's a sensation, but seems that the sample hypothesisthe Shakespeare was the italian Crollalanza...upset yourself....
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Ah so you would also then surely admit that it would be possible for an english man to study histories of Italy in the same way?
And so what if he was the son of a glover. Just because he didnt come from a middle class family doesnt mean he wasnt intelligent, and doesnt mean its not impossible that he could become a playwright. Sean O'Casey was born and raised in the slums of Dublin and spent his whole life as a labourer. He wrote some really famous plays. Does that also mean they werent written by him because its not possible for a poor man from the slums to be a writer?
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W.B.Yeats
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Artemins Fowl and the Lost Colony by Eoin Colfer
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My friend, you compare the histories of the English monarchs (avalaible by any local library or verbal tradition) at the informations or details about the laws, foreshortenings, or costumes of cities very far and distant like Verona or Messina (for example)?
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