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    I'm doin an essay on the role ov women in the play, nd i wos wunderin if u guys cud giv me a hand? thanks

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    First of all, work on your spelling.
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    XX Chromosone

    Here's a thesis statement for a paper on female characters in "Much Ado" tailored to meet the standards of the original poster: "There're are 2 maine women people in the movie Much ado abutt Nothing, and shekespeare writted both of them."

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    * Hero (a typical woman bound by modesty, courtesy; is subject to father's manipulation in a patriarchal society)
    - submissiveness, following directions all the time (1. her father's order to accept the wooing of Don Pedro, who in fact woos in Claudio's name, "you know your answer"; 2. Friar Francis' "die-to-live" plan)
    => she doesn't even defend herself in the denunciation scene when she's wrongly accused by Claudio, but only shouts "Oh God defend me, how am I beset!" => this may suggest the limited role played by women? no right, no opportunity to even defend themselves against false accusations.

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    * Beatrice (a neo-feminist (?), rebel against social traditions on women's behaviors)
    - outspokenness, (shrewdness, as commented by Leonato "if thou be so shrewd of thy tongue")
    Hero's comment on Beatrice in the gulling scene Act 3 Scene 1: "Nature never framed a woman's heart/ Of prouder stuff than that of Beatrice/ Disdain and scorns ride sparkling in her eyes/ Misprising what they look on."
    Beatrice's self-comment: "I was born to speak all mirth, and no matter." => she isn't bound by women's social "obligation" to "speak little and carefully". She sometimes even makes reference to some sexual matters and that can considered to be a taboo for women at that time. (as evidenced by the example when Margaret gigglingly says, "'Twill be heavier soon by the weight of a man", Hero exclaims "Have you no shame!")

    However modern Beatrice's behavior seems, she also mentions the powerlessness of women somehow: "Since I cannot be a man with wishing, there I will die a woman with grieving." <- role of women: cannot wish, but grieve.

    And the fact that Beatrice at last ends up marrying to Benedick may also mark an end to her feminist advocates... not sure(?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ntropyincarnate View Post
    First of all, work on your spelling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liverpool101 View Post
    I'm doin an essay on the role ov women in the play, nd i wos wunderin if u guys cud giv me a hand? thanks
    Is some of that meant to be chat-speak, or is it just complete shamelessness???

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    Why is 'ov' any quicker to type than 'of'?

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    To my opinion there is a balance of roles in men and women. Women evidently have emotional power over the men. All men want is war and women. Women in the other hand their are so different to each other. I don't really get what you mean by asking what role do women take in the play in general? But if wondering in general: Basically men are hunters (go to war) and women stay at "the nest", but as I said: Officially the men have the power, but in reality all emotions and passions are driven by womens actions. I.E- Benedick being convinced by beatrice to kill claudio. Claudio raging after hero´s "unfaithfulness". Don John bitterness after being the son of an adulterous relationship. It seems that in the play men´s feelings can get really hurt by women being adulterous and women seem to be very offended by having their sexuality questioned.
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