The Christian Hell

[The Atheist]

Seriously?

The name, not the philosophy.

[Pendragon]

This woman needs help herself. She cannot help others with that attitude. Christian is as Christian does and acts. I trust this isn't only way people view Christianity, through a warped lens given by a warped person.

God help us all if Christianity is degraded in this manner by those who profess it. May I never give the people on this site who know me as a Christian that type of horrible image.

God bless you all.

Pen

[The Atheist]

This woman needs help herself. She cannot help others with that attitude. Christian is as Christian does and acts. I trust this isn't only way people view Christianity, through a warped lens given by a warped person.

Not worth bothering with - every side has its lunatics.

I know atheists at least as mad as she is.

[Redzeppelin]

I know atheists at least as mad as she is.

Me too! We agree on something! Woooooweeeeee!

[skasian]

And to another friend, Skasian. You have openly made your point and have warned people about the reality of hell. Having done so, you are free from their blood should they wind in in that awful place. Further argument is unnecessary.

I think you are very sincere, and that you are concerned and caring. But what people cannot believe, they cannot believe. Go in peace, my sister.

God bless

Pen

Thank you for your words and your complements. Yes I agree that further argument is not required. God bless you too

[skasian]

how do you know what "god" is expecting you to be? and why do you think he '"expects" anything at all?
what i dont understand is why do you see god as a person, but a huge one?
what i gather from what you say is that you see god as a gigantic superego, judging and pointing the finger down to his worthless children, an out of reach tyrant father, ordering around and expecting submission, or else punishment. i look at this kind of thought as infantile and under-elaborated, and that weltanschauung is the general rule in the world.
i dont believe in this god, because that is simply humankind's superego projection, and if there is something in this reality that is the demiurg, it is nature and the universe, and there isnt an outside force interfering and expecting anything, because the universe's laws are unavoidable and unchangeable. polarity and atraction and repulsion, that is "god". it is an eternal mechanism, but it doesnt think, cause we're the ones who do. a cloud and a rock and planet saturn dont think yet they're all alive, because the universe is alive, otherwise we wouldnt be here to question it.
therefore, god isnt "outside" of the world, watching and analising. god IS the world, we exist in "him", and he's not interfering and sending worthless parts of himself into an enternal ring of fire, because there is nothing outside of him.

Let me just clarify what I believe in, and response to your enquires.

I do not believe that God is a mortal person but a high being that is far from comprehension. Because we are created in the image of God, I believe our personalities and emotions came from God as well, such as expressing love, hope, happiness, anger etc. I believe the relationship between a human father and his offspring is similar to what we have with God, therefore a Father for us all.

I do not believe He points down his finger at "his worthless children", what ever He may not approve is our decisions that lack morality and virtue. He created us for the hope of us being His children, able to love him back and praise Him with all our might. He WANTS us to respect and follow His Words just like any other father in our world.

Now let me share my view of God being "outside" of our world. I believe when He first created the earth, He created three skies, the blue sky we see from earth, the infinite stretch of sky existing in the universe, and the final sky called heaven. I believe that God resides in the heaven, looking down on us in earth with His Holy Spirit moving around Earth. Now let me ask you a question, how is a cloud, rock, planet saturn in a universe "living"? How confident are you to believe that universe is living? How do you define "living"?Cloud is formed by water vapour, a lifeless gas, rock is a small lifeless component of the earth crust being separated from the ground and planet saturn is a lifeless gaseous sphere held by forces of the solar system's belt. How is the universe "alive" when such motion and interference have absolutely nothing to do with being "alive".

If following your logic, every religious person must worship everything in universe because it contains God. There is a reason why people dont worship rocks, clouds and planet saturn. Because God resides in Heavens, religious people look up to Him and worship Him upwards, in a realm where we cannot comprehend.

God created the universe, and once again, the universe is not Him, and nothing inside the universe can be God, unless His spirit resides in one, (ie God takes form of a burning bush when encountering Moses).
I believe that God is a true being that exists in the Heaven, and it is His Holy Spirit that revolves around us everyday in earth, watching our every move.

And may I ask what is weltanschauung?

[skasian]

In NZ, at least, we can laugh at it because Hell is an extremely successful pizza chain company which makes the best pizzas outside of specialist Italian restaurants. Many churches have felt insulted by both the name Hell and its highly amusing and Satanic advertising, and have made an immense number of official complaints to the regulatory bodies. The RCC has even asked its members to boycott the company.

I have a question about Hell pizza chain company, because I heard this often as a rumour, but just asking you if you know anything about this.
Hell pizza belongs to a large chain group, including Burger King, Demon Drink, Starbucks, Mudfight Bikini festival that includes unappropriate nudity in women.
There have been on going rumour that these large chain companies dedicate a sum of their incomes to a cult that worships satan and devils. It seemed odious to realise that Hell pizza and Demon drink dedicates its image in these devilish theme, BK playing around "Whooper" which means hitting and slapping on people, Starbucks with its central logo, which represents goddess of all evil and Bikini festival containing very immoral behaviours.

I dont want to believe in these rumours, however I just want to ask if you know anything about this large chain group all directing to such abhorrence to be true.

[Leksandar]

I love how atheism is slowly becoming a new religion, mostly being spread by insecure people that want to seem intellectual by underlining how religion cannot be proved through empiricism etc. It's not the point people. The point is that a shoemaker or an engineer doesn't need existential angst. That's religion's purpose in society. A doctor's job is to fix the gears, a teacher's job is to raise gears, and a priest's job is to convince the gear of the fact that there is a point in ticking the clock that is society. And now atheism is taking over that part in society, because we know enough now to be able to relax even when in the face of empiricism, but the truth? People, the truth is that we know nothing at all.

The conclusion? Richard Dawkins is a dork, and this «discussion» is absurd.

Thank you.

(Oh, and I do hope skasian was joking with that last post about pizza and hellish demon cults, because there's a grave difference between being a model citizen and just plain... stupid. Ick.)

(And just for the record, I'm an agnostic. Not because I'm too lazy to make up my mind, but because I'm sincere, though I do not expect that of you unless your ambitions are as high as mine.)

[skasian]

(Oh, and I do hope skasian was joking with that last post about pizza and hellish demon cults, because there's a grave difference between being a model citizen and just plain... stupid. Ick.)

If it was to be true, which I hope is not, all model citizens are paying their hardearned money towards evil.

[weltanschauung]

skasian, i apreciate your effort to explain your point of views, you are extremely patient and kind in your words. but i disagree with every single word you say
i also think your view is filled with contradictions you clearly dont suspect, but...

"He created us for the hope of us being His children"
thats it? thats why we exist? thats the reason for all of this? that is way too naive and underelaborated for me..

"Now let me ask you a question, how is a cloud, rock, planet saturn in a universe "living"? How confident are you to believe that universe is living? How do you define "living"?"
the universe is alive and expanding, in motion, that isnt just an empirical assumption, everything is alive, the atoms are pulsing, in that rock, in my finger, in planet saturn, that is a scientific fact... the seed of life lies latent everywhere in the universe, given the right conditions for life to blossom, it does, because life is latent in our universe, because the universe itself is alive.


i dont think you realise, but you have an anthropomorphicized vision of god, you give him human characteristics. you give him thoughts, and feelings and behaviours

"If following your logic, every religious person must worship everything in universe because it contains God. There is a reason why people dont worship rocks, clouds and planet saturn. Because God resides in Heavens, religious people look up to Him and worship Him upwards, in a realm where we cannot comprehend."
"How is the universe "alive" when such motion and interference have absolutely nothing to do with being "alive"."

movement and motion are EXACTLY everything that define life. im not talking about arms and legs here, skasian, get out of your box.
you know.. maybe if people "worshiped" nature instead of jhwh frankenstein, the world would not have turned into a huge pile of s%#t and trash. there is nothing holier than nature.
yeah, god resides in heaven, sitting somewhere drinking ambrosia and thinking "hmm, im gonna start some s**t today "

"God created the universe, and once again, the universe is not Him, and nothing inside the universe can be God, unless His spirit resides in one, (ie God takes form of a burning bush when encountering Moses)."

"aham eva param brahman", skasian.

what is weltanschauung?





6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.


"Battle not with monsters lest ye become a monster and if you gaze into the abyss the abyss gazes into you.."
spread your wings, ikarus.

[weltanschauung]

(Oh, and I do hope skasian was joking with that last post about pizza and hellish demon cults, because there's a grave difference between being a model citizen and just plain... stupid. Ick.)

she isnt

If it was to be true, which I hope is not, all model citizens are paying their hardearned money towards evil.

[billyjack]

The conclusion? Richard Dawkins is a dork, and this «discussion» is absurd.

the #2 intellectual in the world a dork? obviously. but he's also witty, sincere, and brilliant....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mmskXXetcg

of course this topic is absurd. but people believe it so we discuss it

[The Atheist]

Because we are created in the image of God, I believe our personalities and emotions came from God as well, such as expressing love, hope, happiness, anger etc.

Again, we arrive at the position that the god created us, complete with our sin, which he abhors.

Doesn't add up.

I have a question about Hell pizza chain company, because I heard this often as a rumour, but just asking you if you know anything about this.
Hell pizza belongs to a large chain group, including Burger King, Demon Drink, Starbucks, Mudfight Bikini festival that includes unappropriate nudity in women.

False.

Hell Pizza is a privately owned NZ company and no relation at all to BK or Starbucks. BK and Starbucks aren't related either. I've never heard of the Bikini Festival, but Demon Energy [drink] is just another small, privately-owned NZ company which is no relation to any of the others.

This information is available through the NZ Government website here.

The Mudfight Bikini Festival sounds great - where is it? (and when)

There have been on going rumour that these large chain companies dedicate a sum of their incomes to a cult that worships satan and devils.

The rumour is false. Starbucks and BK are publicly-listed companies whose books are subject to close audit by several regulatory bodies and there is no payment to demonic cults.

Hell has a chain going, but Demon Energy are a very small company.

It seemed odious to realise that Hell pizza and Demon drink dedicates its image in these devilish theme, BK playing around "Whooper" which means hitting and slapping on people, Starbucks with its central logo, which represents goddess of all evil and Bikini festival containing very immoral behaviours.

Good grief, where did you get all this?

Hell Pizza and Demon Drink are simply trading on your own fears. Why do you think they came up with those names? Because the owners know that controversy creates talk, which creates business. First rule of business is to get your brand name known, and it's sad but true that any company which chooses a demonic or hell theme will attract publicity because people from various churches will kick up a fuss - and in your case, pass on unfounded rumours.

Just think - every time you pass on that rumour, you are actually helping those companies, which is both funny and ironic.

The BK, is a "WHOPPER", which is just big, rather than a whooper, so that one's gone, and as for Starbucks' logo being a goddess, it comes from Greek mythology, so it's no relation to anything you'd need to worry about. Would you have a problem if their logo was Zeus or Hercules?

I dont want to believe in these rumours, however I just want to ask if you know anything about this large chain group all directing to such abhorrence to be true.

There you go - all lies, every bit of it, you can drink coffee and eat burgers to your heart's content. I can understand you not going to Hell Pizza, though. Even the Catholic church asked its members to avoid the place. Their pizzas are ok. Demon Energy is just typical guarana/caffeine rubbish and shouldn't be fit for human consumption. They'll go broke anyway - as has every Kiwi company which has tried to break into the "energy" drink market.

I love how atheism is slowly becoming a new religion, mostly being spread by insecure people that want to seem intellectual by underlining how religion cannot be proved through empiricism etc.

This is just wrong.

Please do explain how insecurity has anything to do with atheism?

The conclusion? Richard Dawkins is a dork, and this «discussion» is absurd.

Well, it certainly seems to have got that way today.

(And just for the record, I'm an agnostic. Not because I'm too lazy to make up my mind, but because I'm sincere, though I do not expect that of you unless your ambitions are as high as mine.)

Thanks. Marvellous to have such a paragon of sincerity and honesty in the discussion.

Given your ability to insult people based only upon your own mistaken views, I really have my doubts about your sincerity, but if you say it, it must be true.

[Leksandar]

Try again.

[The Atheist]

Try again.

Nah, I'm pretty comfortable with the response.