The Christian Hell

[Pendragon]

This looks like a good time for me to fold on this thread, myself. The subject keeps jumping around with telepathy and such being brought in, which I cannot see has one thing to do with The Christian Hell.

I will point out that every religion I know of speaks of punishment in one way or another, all the way back to the Old Gods and Goddesses of far gone time. Most believe in an underworld, where punishment is for misdeeds, and a heaven of some sort where right deeds are rewarded. Why people fuss so much about Christianity when even Pagans believe in such things beats me.

But I can see the way the cards are playing, and thus, I fold. I believe in hell, just not an eternal one. I also believe that many who feel they have already received white robes and a halo will be shocked on judgment day.

Living Christlike and having the right attitude towards others goes a long way in my book. I think many will make it that Christians would throw away, and many Christians are on somewhat shaky ground.

As a great man once said: "I would rather be right in my spirit and wrong in my doctrine, than right in my doctrine and wrong in my heart or spirit."

God bless you all

Pen

[The Atheist]

My answered prayers have been proven over and over. That's proof for me!
Yes. I do mention when Christ comes back and He will some day. Hope everyone is ready and does not have to face the punishment of not accepting him.

You don't see how that might look just a little spiteful to non-believers, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews and many other people?

Hope you're ready to boil! Shouldn't there be a LOL or something after it?

God did not create sin. Satan did and God is loving because he lets us make those choices.

Didn't the god create everything? Including Satan?

He does not want puppets on a string and make them love him or obey.

And I bet you see no irony in using the free choice argument while spouting that those who don't believe will burn in hell!

How is that a free choice? Believe or die? I can certainly accept the Catholic version of free choice being with their god or not, and not meaning oblivion rather than torture, but offering thousands of years of torture for not believing is not a choice, it's the Spanish Inquisition on PCP.

I think it's a shame that someone would leave this forum just because someone believes what they do. That's sad. Does it mean if they don't believe as you do that you are angry and running? Please stay! No reason to leave. We all have beliefs of some sort and I am not leaving because you believe different.

You've clearly missed what Jo said. She has no problem with you having different beliefs, and I bet you any amount of money you like she's never found a Pendragon post offensive.

What upsets Jo is someone repeatedly - and in the case of this thread, two someones repeatedly - telling her she's going to be tortured for an indeterminate period of time; solely for not believing in a god. Jo is a good person in any qualification of the word "good" and I agree with her that it makes no sense to tell her she's going to hell. The god which you believe creates everything clearly also created Jo's disability, yet you're telling her that she must love the god who did it to her, or be cast into a lake of fire.

Nice.

Living Christlike and having the right attitude towards others goes a long way in my book. I think many will make it that Christians would throw away, and many Christians are on somewhat shaky ground.

As a great man once said: "I would rather be right in my spirit and wrong in my doctrine, than right in my doctrine and wrong in my heart or spirit."

God bless you all

Pen

As usual, I can't fault that attitude too much.

Go well, mate.

Oh, I look forward to seeing some former clerics in Satan's lair.

[NikolaiI]

Repent means to mean it. Not just do something and say I can do it again later. You have to be sincere and try with Gods help. God helps us when we pray and call on him.

This is true, if we love, we obey, but if we don't obey then we are not loving correctly.

[Cat_Brenners]

I keep getting quoted but misinterpreted. I would never laugh about someone burning in hell. I would pray for them to accept God. I have not pointed my finger at anyone on here and said YOU will burn in hell. That's between you and God. Only you and Him know if you have accepted Him or not. I am not your judge. God is the creater but once again he gave all of us a choice of sinning or not sinning....accepting or not accepting. I hope no one burns in hell...even though I believe it is a short time in order to consume all sin. I wish and pray for only the best for anyone. Why anyone wants to get angry or fuss and make fun of anyone here is beyond me. I will not be baited into being mean. That's not what this is for. Best to all.
Hugs, Cat

[The Atheist]

I keep getting quoted but misinterpreted. I would never laugh about someone burning in hell. I would pray for them to accept God. I have not pointed my finger at anyone on here and said YOU will burn in hell. That's between you and God. Only you and Him know if you have accepted Him or not. I am not your judge.

Again, I get a horrible disconnect with reading what you say and reading what you say you meant.

This covers every post you've made in this thread:

....because in Revelation it says that the devil and his followers will be devoured and consumed. ...

...People who do not accept Christ did so at their own choosing and they are put to death. ...

I believe when God comes back the disbelievers and satan will be destroyed.

Someone seems to not be listening. I don't believe that disbelievers burn forever. I believe God is kind in that respect.

Hope everyone is ready and does not have to face the punishment of not accepting him.

Every single post you made you managed to include a note that atheists are going to hell.

Now, you may see that as beseeching us to come over before we get burned, but for someone who disbelieves, and therefore is the exact person being referred to, it can look more like schadenfreude than advice.

Especially when it's repeated and repeated.

God is the creater but once again he gave all of us a choice of sinning or not sinning....accepting or not accepting. I hope no one burns in hell...even though I believe it is a short time in order to consume all sin. I wish and pray for only the best for anyone. Why anyone wants to get angry or fuss and make fun of anyone here is beyond me. I will not be baited into being mean. That's not what this is for. Best to all.
Hugs, Cat

As above, I'll take you at your word and accept that you're not trying to be spiteful, but you must realise that in a written dialogue, it can look awfully much like it.

[skasian]

"Harsh, but true."
phillipe, tanto tempore vobiscum sum, et non congnovistis me?

"I know that God hates to see that His children have to suffer in Hell forever, but the ones that do not know him and love Him must be punished eternally."

its wonderful how christians think of god as a huge angry bearded guy that lives in the clouds...
o luce qui mortalibus lates inacessa deus! in lumine tuo videbimus lumen!

l'enfer, c'est les autres...

Do you think God likes being angry? God likes being praised and happy just like any of us. As we like being content, we take this from God Himself.

I dont know why some people think God is a white bearded big guy. Have you read the Book of Revelations? There is a defintion of God in the heavenly clouds and its description is certainly no way close to being "huge angry bearded guy"

[skasian]

An example of it happening.

When millions of examples of claims exist, but not a single instance of actuality, I'm pretty ok with saying it's beyond reasonable doubt.



*sigh*

What you're saying actually proves my point, but you seem to have missed that. In fact, it's quite obvious that you haven't understood the subject of science in any meaningful way, so I'll just leave you with your misconceptions.



That's fine, stick with it.



Proof is easy. When something works, has been peer-reviewed and can be replicated, then I'm happy with calling it proven.

How does a claim exists with instance of actuality? Simply, to the skeptic,any level of proof does not hinder their idea of belief. The reality is that no matter how true and real it may seem to them, if they do not WANT to believe in it, they just never will. Proof being effective is not easy; just think of evolution. There are simple proof of fossils that supports the idea of evolutions however even with these proof, people do not believe in evolution, or believe that we come from a long line of apes and fishes or microbacterias.

[bazarov]

Proof being effective is not easy; just think of evolution. There are simple proof of fossils that supports the idea of evolutions however even with these proof, people do not believe in evolution, or believe that we come from a long line of apes and fishes or microbacterias.

But...that is evolution.

[skasian]

Back to the subject of The Christian Hell, let me give Thomas Hobbes's perspectives in Christian Hell,written in Leviathan which equals to my own views.

"The Torments of Hell are expressed sometimes by 'weeping and gnashing of teeth' as Mat 8.12..'where the worm dyeth not and the fire is not quenched'..sometimes by 'shame and contemp' Dan 12.2..'some to shame and everlasting contempt'..may be called an Everlasting Death prepared for the wicked which is the Second Death."

"The joyes of Life Eternall are in Scripture comprehended all under the name of Salvation, or being saved. To be saved, is to be secured either respectively against speciall Evills or absolutely against all Evill comprehending Want, Sicknesse and Death itself."

"Of what is Necessary for a Mans reception into the Kingdom of Heaven: All that is Necessary to Salvation is contained in two Vertues, Faith in Christ and Obedience to Laws"

I see that some people indeed are against and angered by the aspect that people who do know accept Jesus Christ as their God and Saviour will end up in Christian Hell, but that is because it is the only truth in Christianity, not because we as Christians say, think or want so, but because our God said so, and Hobbes can justify so.

There is actually a whole section dedicated to the subject of Christian hell, called The Kingdom of Darknesse, if you are interested in Christian Hell, then I recommend Leviathan.

[skasian]

But...that is evolution.

Ah, trust me I know a lot of people that BELIEVE in evolution.

[bazarov]

Ah, trust me I know a lot of people that BELIEVE in evolution.

Me also. The point is your previous statement is contradiction.

[skasian]

Me also. The point is your previous statement is contradiction.

Actually it doesnt. Although there are many people that believe in Evolution, the rest, including atheists do not believe in evolution even though there are proofs and evidences that back up.
Mind you, alot does not mean all.

[dzebra]

I dont know why some people think God is a white bearded big guy. Have you read the Book of Revelations? There is a defintion of God in the heavenly clouds and its description is certainly no way close to being "huge angry bearded guy"

Here's something from Revelation that talks about God being a big, angry looking, white, hairy guy.

"And standing in the middle of the lampstands was someone like the Son of Man. He was wearing a long robe with a gold sash across his chest. His head and his hair were white like wool, as white as snow. And his eyes were like flames of fire. His feet were like polished bronze refined in a furnace, and his voice thundered like mighty ocean waves. He held seven stars in his right hand, and a sharp two-edged sword came from his mouth. And his face was like the sun in all its brilliance. When I saw him, I fell at his feet as if I were dead"

[The Atheist]

How does a claim exists with instance of actuality? Simply, to the skeptic,any level of proof does not hinder their idea of belief. The reality is that no matter how true and real it may seem to them, if they do not WANT to believe in it, they just never will.

No, that's exactly what a sceptic isn't.

A sceptic asks questions and checks evidence to find answers. Belief has nothing to do with it.

Where on earth do you get these strange ideas?

Proof being effective is not easy; just think of evolution. There are simple proof of fossils that supports the idea of evolutions however even with these proof, people do not believe in evolution, or believe that we come from a long line of apes and fishes or microbacterias.

Quite right.

But the only people I ever meet who don't accept the theory of evolution as being correct are fundamental christians. I'm guessing you accept it, however, so that's a good start.

Although there are many people that believe in Evolution, the rest, including atheists do not believe in evolution even though there are proofs and evidences that back up.
Mind you, alot does not mean all.

Again, this is a horrendously bad error.

Since when don't atheists accepts the ToE? I know hundreds of atheists and not one of them seriously doubts it.

[weltanschauung]

Do you think God likes being angry? God likes being praised and happy just like any of us. As we like being content, we take this from God Himself.

I dont know why some people think God is a white bearded big guy. Have you read the Book of Revelations? There is a defintion of God in the heavenly clouds and its description is certainly no way close to being "huge angry bearded guy"

i dont think god "likes" or "dislikes" anything. your god is a ridiculous frankenstein plagiarism of every other pagan symbol that existed before your christ "came", and by that i mean "before the structure of the church along the middle ages invented and organized this whole set of lies that live up to this day." and i dont know why every christian treats everyone else that isnt christian like poor ignorant mongoloids, who have never read the bible. yes, i read the book of revelations, which btw is an open pagan reference to the 22 cards of the tarot. the whole bible itself is a huge plagarism of the book of enoch, since christianity is founded over lies and deception and plagery.
that being said, i would also like to add that your (christians) conception of hell is childish and hilarious. hell obviously isnt a place, but a state of mind, and it's funny how christians use that to scare everyone, "do this, do that or youll go to hell forever har har." you've all been living in hell since birth and you seem to be having quite the good time. your god's punishments and anger dont scare me at all.

hugs and kisses