Life has meaning. It's the meaning we give it. If your words do not live as long as Plato's, still I have read them and posted a reply, and someone will post after me. The earth may die and all be forgotten but we are here together now. Even a hermit enters our thoughts.
If you think that your life does not have any aim,
then life does not have a meaning in your personal thought..
I do not specialize you but I mean all people in general.
if we spend our time in good deeds, then we will have a happy life..
Hope a happy life for you all.
Mr Parvez, i am confused, how does life having no meaning leads to having no moral codes and love hate being illusion. In order to substantiate your claim you need to show that these are necessary attributes of meaningful existence and since by your own definition life is meaningless it will be impossible to assess what are the necessary ingredients of a meaningful life.
If we take Karl Popper's writing, then i guess the only thing we can prove is what are NOT the ingredients of a meaningful life, assuming we are living a meaningless life. The easy way out of this mess would be to declare "Logic" is in itself an illusion in which case the point of discussing will become pointless.
There is a book called "Candide" that is very thought provoking concerning this topic. Its a 100 page masterpiece.
It gives a somewhat darker side of this argument-- but its fluidity is one of a kind.
I agree Voltaire's Candide is indeed a masterpiece but correct me if i am wrong, Voltaire himself was a deist and not an atheist ! I thought the book was a response to Leibniz's saying that this world is "The best of all possible world" after the devastating earthquake in Lisbon.
I forgot but someone in this forum suggested Monty Python's meaning of life, and so i saw it: Pretty interesting, anyone with a taste for British Humor will love the movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBAasek8NR4Originally Posted by peregria
not what i meant. life is meaning itself.
religions treat life as if it points to something else, beyond this life--god, heaven, hell, 72 virgins, a reincarnate life, ect.
"If we spend our time in good deeds we will live a happy life"
That's why a family is such a gift. With uncles, aunts, cousins etc.
If you have the rare opportunity of seeing these people on a regular basis and
start identifying with them -- here it is where you can really learn to have a
giving mentality. In this mode, since we're not as focused on how to "fix" our little immediate world, we become "spirits" outside of our bodies--so to speak -- observing ourselves and intelligently working to make ourselves content and happy. The parasitic first person diminishes and is replaced with a better version of ourselves if you will.
Of course you have lots of insight and I can not negate you and none of the participants herein.
In point of fact life has no meaning as you said, and in point of fact in life we find meanings and not in meanings we find life. Without life meanings cannot spring or orginate.
It is a very subtle and intricate fact and we keep on discovering meanings, buches meanings for life but with time all they wear out and that is why the meanings our grandpas tag to life faded and the ones we annex to it evaporate over time.
To give life a meaning we seek God, heaven, afterlife and the like.
We can not say at all, life is meaningless as well, for we know little. Our sources of beliefs, principles, idelogies find their roots in somebody's mind. And how those originators of ideas or how they got too reamain a mystery.
We synchronize or piece ideas together or assemble them but in truth they are bubbles, noises, just lines or outlines.
I know life precedes meaning and yet I am seeking meanings. I know first I am conscious of myself and of God subsequently but I prime or keep on seeking.
I like this topic or subject beyond words.
“Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””
“If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.
If, or since, some believe that life has no meaning: that we are critters in a meaningless biosphere: why then cannot I choose a belief system that appeals to me and call that "The Meaning (and purpose)" of my life?
Anybody got a gripe?
I do not force my "meaning" or interpretation of "reality" on anyone else. I don't bomb abortion clinics. I vote my conscience and exist beside others with our meaningless rights.
"...How good life is when one does something good and just!"
-Dostoevsky (Jesus of Nazareth, and Richard Rorty, in agreement)
Last edited by backline; 12-03-2008 at 09:50 PM.
I hear you. But I'm reminded of what Christopher Reeve said when asked about his reaction to his injury. He said that he searched and searched as to why this had happened to him, what was the meaning in it? He came to the conclusion that it was his job to create the meaning. And he did. He raised money and awareness for other parapalegics. Here was Superman, reduced to a state in which he could not even breathe for himself. But he used himself. I think that's what we all must do. Some live for our children or out spouses. Some dedicate ourselves to our country or to humanity in general. But we all have to have a reason to get up in the morning and work to achieve something. No one can give us meaning. We have to create our own.
Yes, but Leibniz's notion of this being the best of all possible words is related to his religious belief. God, in his schema, being a perfect being, could not have created a better world.
That would have been me, I think. At least, I was the most recent person to mention it. Glad you liked it.
Can we have your liver then?
this is amazing. XD
from: a fellow writer.
Sorry for that, I am more in Mozart music, the point is if what I did understand is wright or not, I think.
Thanks for the music, I knew it but the words I did understand only when I read them.Quote:
Originally Posted by peregria View Post
weltanschauung , your poem and image render a vision of what our life can be,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBAasek8NR4
Well, I'll be more careful in the future.
For sure now this is what I did when thinking to this thread and to
The Secret Rose of W.B. Yeats
I hope that it will not appear as out of subject.
Last edited by peregria; 12-06-2008 at 12:04 AM.
Hahaha no liver please; i did not buy one of those credit cards. One wonders if Friedman's The World is Flat was inspired by this movie
Got hold of the "Holy Grail" (monty python movie, in case someone confuses it with the real deal)
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