For me not wanting to go to jail is a large reason why I don't harm other people, becasue I do have an aggressive personality and I realy don't like people and they irritate me quite easaily.
For me not wanting to go to jail is a large reason why I don't harm other people, becasue I do have an aggressive personality and I realy don't like people and they irritate me quite easaily.
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe
While restraining myself from going into detail, I doubt you have much up on me there Dark; anger is a common emotion in cripworld, but assaulting or injuring people may not come as easily as you imagine.Originally Posted by Dark Muse
Still, I would encourage you to explore some social and political theory, since you are a fair literary critic in some quarters.
You never know what a person will do, until their pushed into a corner.
A question that always plagues my mind is that is it ok to kill someone for the right reasons? such as shooting an evil dictator for the common interests of the country.
or...
Think of this scenario, 'Your in a camp in africa, their are rebels raiding the village killing everyone in sight. Your and a few others find a cellar to hide, you can see through the floorboards above. A lady with a baby is next to you, the baby starts crying. This jeopardises the lives of 8 other individuals in the cellar whom could make it out alive.'
Would you take the baby from the mother and take its life to save everyone. Or leave the baby to cry and get caught, but die honorably.
And Jozanny... do you think the legal system fairs in your favour?
When it comes right down to tooth and nail, and a question of absolute suvivial. A matter of life and death, as long as it was someone I did not personally care about it, I would sacrifice anyone to save myself. If it was a friend or loved one, then whatever the risk, I would stand behind them.
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe
Regarding that situation with the baby crying and the dictator:
I believe it is permissible to kill someone if you have reason to believe they are oppressing people to a certain degree. I believe it is a last option though. Even when you do kill them it wasn't necessarily the right thing to do. It would be a terrible deed, with no real justification. But I'd rather deal with that guilt than doing nothing in some scenarios.
Killing a baby because it is crying is foolishness. Think about this, especially you Dark Muse. You said everyone's lives are just as important as animals. Let's assume that that is true. Won't that also mean that other PEOPLES lives are just as important as your own? Why not kill yourself in that situation. What is life to you? You live-- and you die, it really shouldn't matter what order people die in. As a matter of fact nothing should really matter.
I would this is a wrong way of thinking. Let the baby live, and face your end if need be. Shouldn't we be living to ultimately prepare us for death? I would fight back-- perhaps even use myself as a diversion to give those people enough time to find a better hiding place (my self sacrifice would perhaps be witnessed by one of them and cause a real chain reaction of compassion) You know?
Well one of the very misanthropic things about me, is that I do not feel any empathy or compassion for the lives of strangers. What happens to people that I do not personally know or care about means nothing to me.
If someone else's existence does come to interfere with me, or with someone I care about, then I will do what I feel needs to be done to eliminate the problem.
All my empathy and sympathy goes towards animals. I do not much care for other human beings if they are not within the small circle of people that personally mean something to me.
I am not going to sacrifice myself for someone else if I do not have a personal connection with that person. Because thier life has no value to me and I am a survivalist and fighter by nature.
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe
I find your stance not only shocking, but muddled.
You seem quite happy to announce your lack of compassion and empathy for mankind, to the extent that you would, you say, have no qualms about killing for your own survival, even if it was an innocent baby. Apart from a worrying lack of feeling for other humans, which I think is one of the factors tending towards the definition of a psychopath, you also seem quite blase in your assertion that the insane should be executed. This just doesn't make any sense at all. If someone is insane, they are not in their right mind, and therefore did not commit the act they did knowingly. Their "punishment", would be to commit them to an asylum. You seem to take an unswerving line against killing when others do it, but as you are a "misanthrope" with little feeling for your fellow members of humanity, it's ok for you to assert your willingness to commit such acts.
I know this discussion is academic, and in real circumstances things may be very different, who knows what we are capable of, but I would not like to think that I was so unfeeling.
That is because I differentiate between different types of killing, or different reasons and motives for it.
In the example of the baby, the scenario given indicated the baby would pose a direct threat to my survival.
To me that would be different then if someone just went up and killed a baby because they were bored, or had a bad day, or just because they felt like it.
I do not approve of murder. But as I have mentioned in the revenge thread, I do not view all killing as murder. For me murder happens when an innocent person is killed without any just cause.
To kill another person because their actions are putting your own life in danger I consider just cause.
As to the question about people are insane. The fact that they did not know what they were doing, does not make the person they killed any less dead, and they should not be given a softer sentence for what they have done. Nothing changes their actions and the result of those actions.
As to my being a psychopath, while I do not claim to be completely sane. The difference between me and a psychopath, is that I do actually know the difference between right and wrong, though it is true I have my own code of morals and ethics that does not always agree with societies code. But I would not actually kill another person unless I felt it absolutely necessary to do so.
And the fact that I am actually capable of feeling and caring about other people, though I am not sympathetic to the human race generally. I am actually quite compassionate and caring and loyal to my friends and loved ones.
But it is true, anyone outside of my circle, does not truly concern me.
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe
DarkMuse:::
That is because I differentiate between different types of killing, or different reasons and motives for it.
In the example of the baby, the scenario given indicated the baby would pose a direct threat to my survival.
To me that would be different then if someone just went up and killed a baby because they were bored, or had a bad day, or just because they felt like it.
I do not approve of murder. But as I have mentioned in the revenge thread, I do not view all killing as murder. For me murder happens when an innocent person is killed without any just cause.
To kill another person because their actions are putting your own life in danger I consider just cause.
As to the question about people are insane. The fact that they did not know what they were doing, does not make the person they killed any less dead, and they should not be given a softer sentence for what they have done. Nothing changes their actions and the result of those actions.
As to my being a psychopath, while I do not claim to be completely sane. The difference between me and a psychopath, is that I do actually know the difference between right and wrong, though it is true I have my own code of morals and ethics that does not always agree with societies code. But I would not actually kill another person unless I felt it absolutely necessary to do so.
And the fact that I am actually capable of feeling and caring about other people, though I am not sympathetic to the human race generally. I am actually quite compassionate and caring and loyal to my friends and loved ones.
But it is true, anyone outside of my circle, does not truly concern me.
I think the feelings expressed by Darkmuse are based on personal 'choice'. Having no feelings for others (not in one's circle) may also mean that the apathetic person also does NOT want any reciprocal feeling from others. Commonly this is not considered to be a commendable societal or human trait but there are exceptions. Maybe Darkmuse has its own reasons.
As far as killing is concerned it is probable in case of self-defense or in the event of a hangman executing a convict on court's order. Many things and actions which are socially and legally valid are invalid when done in personal capacity. even committing suicide is a crime!
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When asked how World War III would be fought, Einstein replied that he didn't know. But he knew how World War IV would be fought: With sticks and stones.
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Yes I can verify that is quite true. I do not see why anyone outside of my circle should have any care for me, nor am I seeking it. I rather do find it uncomftrable when people I do not know attempt to engage me in some friendly way, becasue such is not what I seek.
When I am minding my own bussiness and someone I do not know attempts to try and have a conversation with me just to be "nice" and social. I really don't like it.
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe
I take your point on keeping to oneself but is not always for reasons of being ''nice and social''. Maybe someone likes you or likes something about you and wants to befriend?
I too don't like people to bother me when am out walking or doing something. But, this is not because I dislike them --it's because i don't like others disturbing and distracting me,,,,but again such a feeling sometimes grows stronger with age, especially after 50. I used to feel differently when younger,,,and wouldn't mind 'others' particularly girls getting closer to me!
Anyway, that's more like a personality trait and there shouldnt be any problem if you felt that way. However, a little courtesy added would justify societal needs, if you may so wish.
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When asked how World War III would be fought, Einstein replied that he didn't know. But he knew how World War IV would be fought: With sticks and stones.
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I do not really feel much of an inclination to meet new people, and I do not like socializing with others. I have my select few friends and I am content and happy with that. When people try and talk to me, I just want them to go away and I feel like it is a kind of drag having to respond to them.
I am not always just out and out rude, I do express some semblance of basic courtesy when the mood strikes me to do so. But all in all I really do not care what society thinks of me.
I am pretty much apathetic to the opinions that other people may have of me.
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe
And yet, you are here in this forum, expressing your opinions to complete strangers. I think many people in the real world have backwards priorities. There are so many people who don't take life delicately and sincerely. If you had confidence that everyone handled life RESPONSIBLY maybe you would think different about strangers.
While I disdain socializing, I still enjoy intellectual stimuli, as well as a never ending enjoyment for disagreeing with other people and auguring.
Being online I do not have to truly deal with other people. It is just an exchange of thoughts and ideas, and I can choose to only talk about things which are of interest to me, while ignoring things of which I have no interest.
And I can bypass any unnecessary "chit-chat" I have never been one to engage in "normal" or "mundane" conversations. I do not like talking about my day, or how I am feeling, or pretending I am interested in such things in other people, and such is what happens when you try and talk to people in public.
Online you can just focus in on what you do want to talk about, and you don't really have to get to know anything about anyone or interact with them beyond exchanging thoughts.
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe
Indeed there are a lot of insincere things that may go on in many social interchanges. I respect the fact that you like to live sincerely, everything you do you mean. Its great to live out what you believe in. Everyman Dies, but not everyone truly lives~Braveheart
But there is a certain void in human cognition. One has to respect that void. The void can be defined as Man's natural tolerance of error regarding abstract thoughts such as the conjuration of one's own "moral code."
Basically, I'm trying to say that its good to continually second guess your fundamental beliefs because of the limitations of the human mind. So how can you both continually second guess yourself and truly live at the same time?
For me the answer is by continually challenging the mind and the memory. Exercising its focus as well as improving its efficiency. Therefore the margin of error, when you fight for what you believe in with tooth and nail, is as small as possible. This to me is personal responsibility.
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