All Men Are Created Equal.

[Mr Hyde]

All men are created equal. Are they?

Everywhere I go amongst society I hear people in politicis or those who would call themselves the authority of government speak the word of equality.

What is this word equality that they so much like to use?

Everywhere I have been I've seen nothing but masses of inequality and unfairness guided by selfish instincts of individuals in the pursuit of survival.

What is equality? How and where does it exist?

I've certainly never witnessed this great equality people speak of.

[billyjack]

equality is an ideal, something we shoot for but never truly believe we'll attain. its pragmatic though; as a foundational principle it makes governing people easier to tackle for the governing body bc in theory everyone's the same so all laws apply to everyone

[Virgil]

Equality is a status before the law. It does not mean you are born with or earn the same equal amount.

[HerGuardian]

Equality in opportunities, social status, treatment etc is impossible to provide due to different life conditions. However, the only equality that we can provide which is treating everyone the when enforcing the law is not provided. You go to a police station, a court of law or a hospital and you are faced with different treatments. Women, powerful tycoons, people of high ranks etc. are treated in a more merciful and respectful way than others.

[Mr. Vandemar]

It's quite simple: all men are equal but some men are just more equal than others.

[Scheherazade]

What is equality? How and where does it exist?

It is a myth that is kept alive in some books and some examples of folklore.

It's quite simple: all men are equal but some men are just more equal than others.

Hah! When I saw the thread, I thought someone would bring this quote up in less than 10 posts! I was right... again!

[The Atheist]

Hah! When I saw the thread, I thought someone would bring this quote up in less than 10 posts! I was right... again!

And it wasn't even me!

[Mr. Vandemar]

There are lots of Orwell-nuts around!

[Mr Hyde]

equality is an ideal, something we shoot for but never truly believe we'll attain.

I don't understand believing in somthing that will never be attained.

Seems kinda pointless to me.............

Perhaps we should be done away with this useless thing. What do you think?

its pragmatic though; as a foundational principle it makes governing people easier to tackle for the governing body bc in theory everyone's the same so all laws apply to everyone

In otherwords: It might be absurd but it works wonders in manipulating and controlling others in that they buy into the delusion. Hey it might be absurd but it works!

Virgil-Equality is a status before the law. It does not mean you are born with or earn the same equal amount.

HerGuardian-You go to a police station, a court of law or a hospital and you are faced with different treatments. Women, powerful tycoons, people of high ranks etc. are treated in a more merciful and respectful way than others.

I smell a contradiction.

Vandemar-It's quite simple: all men are equal but some men are just more equal than others.

And how does that work exactly?

[SirRaustusBear]

Teddy Roosevelt has a good quote on the subject:

When I say I believe in a square deal I do not mean to give every man the best hand. If the cards do not come to any man, or if they do come, and he has not got the power to play them, that is his affair. All I mean is that there shall be no crookedness in the dealing.
-Theodore Roosevelt

This is the goal anyway, though in practice true equality is hard to find because those in power often break the rules in order to keep that power. It is unfortunate but at leat one of the idealistic goals of most modern governments is to prevent those in power from doing so. This of course is thwarted when the government itself is run by corrupt officials.

[Scheherazade]

There are lots of Orwell-nuts around!

"Orwell-nuts" you say? What are those?

Similar to Brazil nuts or cashew nuts by any chance?

[bazarov]

I don't understand believing in somthing that will never be attained.

Seems kinda pointless to me.............

Perhaps we should be done away with this useless thing. What do you think?

Aim for perfection and you will make maximum.
When you study for your exam, you aim for A but you get B. Will you say it's pointless and quit university or you will continue, hoping next exam will be A?

"Orwell-nuts" you say? What are those?

Similar to Brazil nuts or cashew nuts by any chance?

Nope; you can't eat but you can join them.

[Mr Hyde]

Teddy Roosevelt has a good quote on the subject:

When I say I believe in a square deal I do not mean to give every man the best hand. If the cards do not come to any man, or if they do come, and he has not got the power to play them, that is his affair. All I mean is that there shall be no crookedness in the dealing.
-Theodore Roosevelt

Sounds like a clever political bluff to me in order to fool the opposite side into folding.

This is the goal anyway, though in practice true equality is hard to find because those in power often break the rules in order to keep that power.

In otherwords equality doesn't exist and can never exist.

It is unfortunate but at leat one of the idealistic goals of most modern governments is to prevent those in power from doing so.

Isn't it funny that for every idealistic belief built upon blind faith none of them ever conform to practice in reality?

This of course is thwarted when the government itself is run by corrupt officials.

Which every historical government has been the same in.

( Which will never change.)

Aim for perfection and you will make maximum.
When you study for your exam, you aim for A but you get B. Will you say it's pointless and quit university or you will continue, hoping next exam will be A?

Your analogy is flawed because what we are talking about here goes beyond mere university exams.

Nice try.

[NikolaiI]

We're all equal by the laws of physics at least.

[Mr Hyde]

We're all equal by the laws of physics at least.

Perhaps but we are not talking about physics in this thread, are we?