Good question. I have no idea.Originally Posted by papayahed
yes (between consenting adults)
yes, but only if they get sterilized
no!
not sure
Good question. I have no idea.
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in that case my dad, mom and me would be very dysfunctional together (which is why I moved out in the first place) and hubber's sister would be even more dysfunctional and cry her eyes out because she would have to move out of hubber's room. also Father-in-Law would have to sort out arguments between hubbers and Sister-in-Law which would be very harmful to him, seeing as his wife as MS and lives in a nursing home and the poor man raised the kids alone and deserves some rest. see, it would only make everyone involved very unhappy. besides, my parents live in another town, so I couldn't go to my univ and my univ is better than the one at their place. so if I had to change univ, I would have poorer teaching, get worse marks and end up unemployed. then I'd have to claim unemployment benefit and would be a huge burden for society and of course I would do drugs, drink and eat junkfood. then I'd grow obese and be an even huger burden by requiring treatment for obesety. and then I'd go on a talkshow and whine and have fight with a b****y woman on the talkshow and I would strangle her and go to prison and use up a lot of tax money there.Well, the solution would be that you would have to live at home and hubbers would have to live at his parents.
edit: while in prison, I would get raped by gangster women and then I would take it out on others and become a very mean and nasty person. so what's worse, pre-marital cohabitaion or all of this?
Last edited by SleepyWitch; 03-26-2008 at 11:11 AM.
It is in UK, under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, article 27 (as below)
this extends the prohibition to both family members and people who are, or have been, in a position of trust over the other. If you're really bored the whole Act is here : http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2003..._20030042_en_3Family relationships (1) The relation of one person (A) to another (B) is within this section if—
(a) it is within any of subsections (2) to (4), or
(b) it would be within one of those subsections but for section 67 of the Adoption and Children Act 2002 (c. 38) (status conferred by adoption).
(2) The relation of A to B is within this subsection if—
(a) one of them is the other’s parent, grandparent, brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister, aunt or uncle, or
(b) A is or has been B’s foster parent.
(3) The relation of A to B is within this subsection if A and B live or have lived in the same household, or A is or has been regularly involved in caring for, training, supervising or being in sole charge of B, and—
(a) one of them is or has been the other’s step-parent,
(b) A and B are cousins,
(c) one of them is or has been the other’s stepbrother or stepsister, or
(d) the parent or present or former foster parent of one of them is or has been the other’s foster parent.
(4) The relation of A to B is within this subsection if—
(a) A and B live in the same household, and
(b) A is regularly involved in caring for, training, supervising or being in sole charge of B.
(5) For the purposes of this section—
(a) “aunt” means the sister or half-sister of a person’s parent, and “uncle” has a corresponding meaning;
(b) “cousin” means the child of an aunt or uncle;
(c) a person is a child’s foster parent if—
(i) he is a person with whom the child has been placed under section 23(2)(a) or 59(1)(a) of the Children Act 1989 (c. 41) (fostering for local authority or voluntary organisation), or
(ii) he fosters the child privately, within the meaning given by section 66(1)(b) of that Act;
(d) a person is another’s partner (whether they are of different sexes or the same sex) if they live together as partners in an enduring family relationship;
(e) “step-parent” includes a parent’s partner and “stepbrother” and “stepsister” include the child of a parent’s partner.
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Hmm, i guess that's for your father to decide. You could get a female roommate and split the costs with her as you must with hubbers.in that case my dad, mom and me would be very dysfunctional together (which is why I moved out in the first place) and hubber's sister would be even more dysfunctional and cry her eyes out because she would have to move out of hubber's room. also Father-in-Law would have to sort out arguments between hubbers and Sister-in-Law which would be very harmful to him, seeing as his wife as MS and lives in a nursing home and the poor man raised the kids alone and deserves some rest. see, it would only make everyone involved very unhappy. besides, my parents live in another town, so I couldn't go to my univ and my univ is better than the one at their place. so if I had to change univ, I would have poorer teaching, get worse marks and end up unemployed. then I'd have to claim unemployment benefit and would be a huge burden for society and of course I would do drugs, drink and eat junkfood. then I'd grow obese and be an even huger burden by requiring treatment for obesety. and then I'd go on a talkshow and whine and have fight with a b****y woman on the talkshow and I would strangle her and go to prison and use up a lot of tax money there.
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Virgil:
I think it is perfectly ok to do so as long as you do not force your kids to follow your own ideas, as long as you don't blackmail them or whatever.Oh I would not make that illegal. I grew up with the notion that casual pre-marital sex was wrong. Of course it occured and I took part, but it was not something I went and told my parents. I did not go to my mother and say, "hey mom, guess what I just did for the first time today." Today I'm frankly shocked at how parents let their children live together with an unmarried lover. I would not approve of my children doing it.
Fifth:
Yes I am being judgemental because I am a human being, and this is what I hate in myself, but I try to go beyond as much as I can.Sweets, I have no problem with your choices, but one thing you can't choose to do is live in a moral vacuum, and the truth is that we all judge including you, and including me, for example:
which is in itself a judgemental comment, not critical, but definitely judgemental.
I am just not fond of morality. I am part of a society but I don't feel like it. I am an individual and I intend to live my life as I want to, as long as I don't hurt people. The key is tolerance. I think life on this planet is already difficult enough to piss ourselves off with morality when we don't see the point of it. We all live in restraint. I have felt restrained from being myself for many years and today I just want to be as free as I can. Human beings are always putting barriers everywhere and making their own lives a living hell until they finally die. I am just confused.I think the problem I have with your statement that it is 'My life, My body, My choices' is that, yes, it is true that you can choose to do anything, and humans have the ability to do a great many things, but included in that is a question 'just because we can do something does that mean we should do it? This is where morality comes in, and as a species (as all human societies appear to have laws/rules of some kind) we have chosen to say that somewhere we must draw the line. You can choose to sleep with your brother, that is true, but you must also accept that by doing so, if you do so in a country where it is illegal, you are breaking the law. You must also accept that whilst you may not understand the reasons why it is illegal, there may well be very good, very justifiable reasons why it is illegal. Just because you or I don't know what it is, doesn't mean it isn't there, which is the point I was alluding to in the beginning. It is difficult to debate because the reason we might not see the harm now, is because by making it illegal the harm that it causes is simply no longer visible to us. It is also difficult to draw the line by saying, it's okay so long as the two people don't have children. Biology is a tricky thing, what if there was an accidental pregnancy - the answer would be that either the baby is born, or the State forces abortion. Who would find forced abortion palatable? If the baby is born then so is the next one, and the next one. Where does it end?
Lote:
Yes of course it is selfish. But if you must spend your life restraining yourself to please the others, I don't see the point of being an individual with his/her own mind. I am having to argue as if incest were something terribly mean to do to the others, as if I were a bad person for wanting to be free to love someone who also loves me. That's crazy. I'm confused again.Yes. But it is also selfish.
No man or woman is an Island. We part of the main.
Our choices have consequences. Not only to ourselves and the society we live in.
There can be no absolute freedom.
Freedom needs to be moderated or else everything falls apart.
This " as long as it does not harm anyone..." ethos is flawed. It is short-sighted and selfish.
isn't tolerance a form of morality?
isn't it possible that the restrictions have a point, but as we are not all experts in all things the point is not immediately apparent to us?
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OMG that's what i wanted to say!! (ermmm something to that effect i mean). I remember a conversasion i had with one of my moms friends, a doctor, who told me that in some islands in greece there are high records (when compared to the rest of the country) of various mental deseases and one of the main reasons for this is that these areas were isolated and occupied in the past (when the country wasn't yet liberated) and they couldn't get in touch with the greek populations of the mainland, so they ended up marrying their first cousins etc. I don't know if that's true, i have no scientific knowledge on the subject
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I am not sure that tolerance is a form of morality. It could really be, and that's interesting. I guess that means I am ok with some forms of morality and not with some others? However, I always try to tolerate the forms of morality that I do not share as long as they are not imposed on me.
Now about the second part of what you said, I agree very much. But I guess I don't want to care about what ifs right now. Which might be irresponsible of me. But I'm not sure I am in a responsible mood.
And we don't like selfishness do we now lassie?
The Axial Age Philosophers have said it is when we let go of our Egotism then we can truly be human...it is then that we take part in a Larger Existence.But if you must spend your life restraining yourself to please the others, I don't see the point of being an individual with his/her own mind.
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First off, what makes you think it was directed at you? If you are not talking about making it illegal, then why would my comment on the legislation of such a thing be directed at you? And secondly, how is it mean? As I said, I'm just calling a spade a spade.
Last edited by metal134; 03-26-2008 at 02:30 PM.
Ah, we don't like selfishness. But if people consider it selfish to have one's own ideas for one's own damn life without compelling anyone to follow them, then what can I say? This is preposterous. Now if we say that, perhaps someone else could say that it is selfish not to let people live their lives the way they intend to do so just because the way they would like to live their own lives does not appeal to us. Yeah.And we don't like selfishness do we now lassie?
The Axial Age Philosophers have said it is when we let go of our Egotism then we can truly be human...it is then that we take part in a Larger Existence.
And I won't comment on how to become truly 'human' because I don't have the same definition of 'human' as you have.
Incest doesn't always cause health problems. It brings out the recessive genes. If it did necessarily cause the children to be retarded, then the entire non-African human population would have ~60 IQ. Also, the royal families of Europe practiced incest. Of course it should be legal. Like public nudity, making it legal isn't going to make it the next big fad.
I think if you make a signature, you should inspire some emotion in someone else. I also think it would be pretentious for me to think I could do that.
I think its disgusting.
**** happens in this world thats imperfect, and once in a while two people might fall in love only to find out they share a parent- thats the world we live in. Its screwed up. But it doesn't mean we should accomodate our laws or our morals to EVERY single circumstance, there are exceptions to be made in this world, is up to each of us to make our own I'm an understanding person, but the fact that things like this are even questionable makes me wonder about out our foundation, we have become so accustomed to accepting everyone for who they are that its turned into welcoming some flat out crazy ****. I do not beleive in persecuting anyone, its their business, but i'm sure as hell not going to go around wondering, just because these particular circumstances are exceptional, if this is acceptable across the board. Its not. Its gross. What's next someone wants to marry their dog? Have sex w their kids? I mean be serious.
Well there would no longer be CONSENTING ADULTS involved, now would there?
I Agree. Th difference is one of consent. But...I love my doggies.
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