It may be the easiest way yet can't say it would be the most credible one. If you resort to merely one source to find the answer, that won't help much. It is best to read the Holy Books that have been sent to people thus far.Originally Posted by Ydfkdy
Eve incurs God's displeasure.
Passion.
Odysseus and Penelope,
Ulysses and Penelope,
The Festival,
In Hell.
Holy Book I: Lament for lost love.
"He was nauseous with regret when he saw her face again, and when, as of yore, he pleaded and begged at her knees for the joy of her being. She understood Neal; she stroked his hair; she knew he was mad."
---Jack Kerouac, On The Road: The Original Scroll
this is all seeming to assume that there is some kind of creator god that humans can understand and comprehend to some degree... isn't the very idea of being able to understand ideas such as timeless, eternal, infinite, kind of absurd... for even putting names to them gives them definition which they necessarily don't have... timeless means everything is nothing, and nothing is everything... and even that gives definition and form, but I think of it more as just saying it is beyond comprehension, we just have to accept... so all concepts of good and evil, of time, of value, of things, necessarily vanish, at least when put in human terms... if we ever do get to an infinite and timeless existence, it will be something completely foreign and unrecognizable.. god, or the godhead, or whatever you may want to call it, cannot be explained in human terms, cannot be defined by our language or thoughts, god encompasses everything and nothing all at once, all of time, and none of it, for there is no past, present, future for infinite being... it is completely incomprehensible to humans, we can only accept, not understand.. somewhat like the original buddhist ideas of anatta and nirvana...
but humans will never be able to just have faith that there is something that is everything, or is part of and behind everything, they will need to see it proven, or at least find some idea of it... so I would say in accordance with some previous posts that god, or the idea of god, cannot be judged on a human level, or even by human minds, for god is everything and god is nothing (on that note I believe so are we in essence)...
or maybe I'm just talking nonsense, the thoughts of another rambling, ridiculous man... hmmm...
Look up the word theodicy
but that is what we are talking about here... why look at others attempts to reconcile good and evil when we can start afresh and solve it here? *smile* no one has really satisfactorily answered the problem that, or resolved, hence the fact new solutions are come up with quite often... I guess each one of us has to either solve it or accept it in our own particular way...
nono quite the contrary, sir or madam. i really like the two posts of yours i've read so far! i'm glad to breathe the same air as you. ah, er, hope that didn't come off weird.
i think i have almost the exact same idea of god as you. i've had a couple experiences which, er, convinced me. something almost similar to something i heard about but haven't read yet, Sojourner Truth's description of her meeting with Jesus.
haha... not weird... sir it is... I would be interested in hearing of Sojourner Truth's description... is it in her book? for I was looking at it online a while back, just never actually read it... but I may have to now
A movie, called "the man from earth" has quite an interesting twist on the Christ story.. it maybe isn't the best of movies but is quite good nonetheless and the Christ story in context is fascinating, if it was actually true would explain a lot of things, and for that matter make some sense.
God is perfect. He has no evil in Him. I believe you have to ask him into your heart. you don'y have him there already otherwise the whole heaven and hell thing won't work.
Jesus also said ''be ye perfect''. I know of many Christians but not one is even close to being ''perfect''.
We are all declared righteous through Christ's atoning sacrifice; the "perfection" you speak of is a lifetime journey for the believer. It is not a "presto-chango" magic trick God performs. Like any good parent, He wishes for His children to develop character. Being a Christian doesn't mean that you have instant character; it means that you're willing to let your Creator start teaching you how to be a man/woman of character.Jesus also said ''be ye perfect''. I know of many Christians but not one is even close to being ''perfect''.
"I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else." - C.S. Lewis
See the example of Saul of Tarsus --- that belies your assertion.
The same Saul that changed his name to Paul? This one?
Acts 7:14+
We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do... For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing...
So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am!
He was not perfect. He tried to be, but he admits his faults.
If you feed on negativity like that, you'll trip on knives and stuff.
``He was not perfect.``
In his earlier life he murdered possibly tens of thousands of Christians. Frankly, I don't blame him for having a guilty conscience.
if there are a heaven and a hell in this universe, and if god or christ can forgive evil for others, which they have no right to do... then there can never be harmony in the universe, as Ivan says in "TBK"... for how can god forgive for the little boy ripped apart by the hunting dogs of the rich landowner in the scenes described by Ivan in "TBK"... because christ sacrificed himself, it is okay to do anything as long as you are genuinely sorry for doing it... what kind of harmony and endless good does that inspire? The answer is none...
harmony can only be found outside of the idea of a personal creator god, beyond good and evil, beyond doubt, with endless faith in love, and the realization that somewhere, on some elementary level we are all the same, and all different, we are all everything and nothing... nothing is everything, and everything is nothing... love is..
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