Rosa
why only physics and not chemistry?? No single science is capable of explaining complete sciences so how can it explain God !
Rosa
why only physics and not chemistry?? No single science is capable of explaining complete sciences so how can it explain God !
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Well, it was the topic brought up, wasn't a boolkwritten about Eve? or Evolution? Or Mass Spectrometry? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution ..I'm sorry thats Geo Chemistry talk for every single combintation in the mix. B
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How is THIS true? Do you really believe that Christianity is the only religion with an omnipotent, omniscient deity at the head of it? The fact of the matter is, ANY religion that claims to have that sort of deity heading it can 'properly account' for the existence of the universe as it exists. Not to mention, even within those standards, you still have Islam and Judaism to deal with since they employ the same God with the same powers.Originally Posted by Redzeppelin
A combination of gravity and left over energy from the big bang.Again, the Big Bang.
No, it is not fair enough to admit to such a thing. This is known as the God of the Gaps fallacy. "If I don't know how it works, then God must have done it".
wow, what a logic! human brain is just stuck at the questions of gravity and Big Bang,,,,it can't see any further for lack of knowledge ! Big Bang did not happen on its own,,,some one made it happen. Gravity? arnt there voids in space? Why does a flame point upwards whereas an apple falls towards the earth( i know it is earth's pull you call gravity which makes apple behave that way but what abt the flame)?A combination of gravity and left over energy from the big bang.
.Again, the Big Bang
No. the big bang did not create matter,,,,
you are only discovering what is already there, what already exists.....you don't know anything for sure in anticipation-only God does!
this is known as the God of the Gaps fallacy. "If I don't know how it works, then God must have done it".
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And some of us are willing to admit to this and not place a deity in there simply because we don't know the answer yet.
I'd like some proof of this.
What sort of 'voids' are you speaking of? Are you thinking of Dark Matter? There are 'voids' of that sort but nothing that displays a complete lack of gravity.
This is an interesting question! The short answer is that a flame is in a different state of manner than an apple (think of gas vs liquid vs solid). I'll do some research later and give a more extended answer to this question since I really do find this to be something interesting.
You asked about a speck of dust, not matter as a whole.You're correct, though, the big bang is an expansion of a very tiny piece of matter that was there. Why? I don't know, but I don't think you can simply posit a super-being behind it all (in particular since this begs the question of where that super-being came from) as an explanation.
there are certain things that cannot be proved by reason. For example no one can explain why people think and act differently. However, it at times be required that we tried to understand a certain thing such as God without rejecting its existence. Inductive and deductive logic may perhaps give us some answer in case of God;s existence. Sometimes mere guess also tends to work as it did with Einstein who, as said, had just squared the speed of light by dint of his imagination and which ultimately proved true for itself.
I think you may have to employ inductive as well as deductive logic to assess the impact of God's existence rather than just denying it without reason.
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When asked how World War III would be fought, Einstein replied that he didn't know. But he knew how World War IV would be fought: With sticks and stones.
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well the others were the hard ones actuallly, the gods of today are the astronauts, argonauts, and olympians...the ones who dare go where no man has gone before....with a smile on their face, Cheers B
"I am glad to learn my friend that you had not yet submitted yourself to any of the mouldy laws of Literature."
-John Muir
"My candle burns at both ends; It will not last the night; But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends - It gives a lovely light"
-Edna St. Vincent Millay
wow, what a logic! Is it dark at night because someone shuts the lights? Nothing happens on it's own, isn't it? Everything that happens has to have "someone" that makes it happens... This really reminds me early levels of Piaget's child psychology... You talk about not being able to see further than gravity (that gravity and leftover kinetic energy are the cause of the general movement of the universe is quite well demonstrated as a theory) and then you come and tell us that it cannot be that "someone" has to do it... come on, is this really looking "further"?
Energy created matter, the Big Bang would then be the cause of the transformation of some of the energy to matter.No. the big bang did not create matter,,,,
But I'm not sure what people are trying to achieve in arguing against scientific, well documented theories that they don't really know anything about. Really you can argue about the existence of God, but I would suggest not to go in the waters you are going into, as really, if you ever intend to disprove the Big Bang or any other well-respected scientific theory, you will never have credibility (and in act you will only look like a fool) if you do not do it in an academic, well-documented and serious way. Not by undocumented and quite naive judgments on an obscure forum (Virgil, if you read this, don't take offense please).
Last edited by Etienne; 01-25-2008 at 12:00 AM.
Well, even if God didn't exist, then he would exist through the actions of believers. But since reality is something that all of us make up, he does exist, then, in all of us. He exists as a source, and I truly believe anything is possible. I've felt his presence, for the first time, and many times after that, though I can't necessarily always feel it.
RZ, if you said that quote I saw Dark Star quote, that is badly mistaken. A better creation story if for no other reason than it is more imaginative, and more elaborate, is the idea that the material creation was created by Visnu in his Visnu expansions. He called all the souls into being, etc. and everything is part of His mind...if I have this badly understood, my apologies.
To go back to my first point. God exists as infinity. It's quite as simple as that. We can't comprehend infinity, but we should realize it exists. To comprehend infinity is impossible, yet it makes sense, it is reasonable, it exists. And in this infinity, impossible things are possible. If there is finite good, there is infinite good. If there is finite being, there is infinte being.
Last edited by NikolaiI; 01-25-2008 at 12:59 AM.
well said, Nik. Cowbell to you... B
"I am glad to learn my friend that you had not yet submitted yourself to any of the mouldy laws of Literature."
-John Muir
"My candle burns at both ends; It will not last the night; But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends - It gives a lovely light"
-Edna St. Vincent Millay
Thanks. Did you ever look back over my article? I also put a link there to where I posted it on Deviantart...and on there I put a whole bunch of commentary on it, too. Very interestingly I dreamt about it! I think it's a good idea for anyone to write out in words as complete an article they can on what they think is most true, and what their reasons for it are. If it's complete, then they can read over it, and that way they won't forget, and it'll be in their minds more, so they can mull it over more.
The only absolute certainty is that another baby was just born, I don't know where, but it was.
Anyway, it would change the way I live---because if there's no god then I'm going to be very upset with that bible.
"He was nauseous with regret when he saw her face again, and when, as of yore, he pleaded and begged at her knees for the joy of her being. She understood Neal; she stroked his hair; she knew he was mad."
---Jack Kerouac, On The Road: The Original Scroll
well documented theories are oft repeated propositions, not facts. just because a lot of people turn a proposition into a fact without credible justification does not mean it is true.
a theory is a proposition that can be tested scientificaly, in a laboratory or someplace. the big bang theory is a proposition and not a fact. big bangism is a mythology which has no scientifiic credibility because it can not be tested in the lab and then reproduced.
i can propose that water boils at 100C then i can test this theory and prove it repeatedly and then it becomes a fact.
that the universe originated from a big explosion is pure speculation which cannot be tested or reproduced.
that God created the universe is a fact. everything we know was created or else it wouldnt exist. if something is not created it does not exist in this universe. if something is not created how can it exist. i exist because i was created. so who created me? the creator created me and this creator is God.
God is not a created being. God is exalted above that which He created. God is not limited by time and space which He created.
God is non corporeal and extratemporal - this is why He is God.
God Rules
Ah, gotta love contradictions. Yep you are correct the Big Bang theory is a theory - the one that makes the most sense scientifically. Not fact because it can not be definitively proved. BUT, you do manage to get into a horrible tangle when you claim God as fact, despite it not meeting the criteria you state in your earlier post for being fact i.e
"the big bang theory is a proposition and not a fact. big bangism is a mythology which has no scientifiic credibility because it can not be tested in the lab and then reproduced."
Replace Big Bang with God, still reads the same. The issue of scientific viability is a very slippery slope for believers to go down, it generally doesnt go well.
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