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    World At IT"S END

    No point to continue on. The world is at its end. By the end of this century the sea level will rise approx. 30 feet. Engulfing all islands in the world and taking all cities near the coast under. The Global warming is no longer a theory it is a fact. Is this one of the seven signs of the apacolypse?
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    I wonder who decided there were only seven signs of the apacolypse? Seems a little odd to me. Had a chance to look through Revelation in your Bible lately? Many, many things are listed there as "signs" of the end and yes, among those many are a whole series of natural disasters. Just take a look at our most recent mega-earthquake. Global warming is scary, but that earthquake is right on top of us. A lot of people are dead, a lot of people are missing, and a lot more are mourning. Scary.

    Of course, Revelation is a bit difficult to unravel. If you're seriously interested in having information on the Bible's view of the end of the world, you would do better to check out some of the less cryptic books. Check out the first part of 2 Timothy chapter 3. Reads a bit like the headline page of your local newspaper, doesn't it? Most of the indications the Bible gives about the end of this system are related not to natural disasters, but to the behavior of humans. This earthquake is a tragedy because so many are so suddenly dead, but what about all the people who die in wars? No because some force of nature but because of other people. I find that REALLY scary.

    I would suggest that even if you're not a Bible-banging, Doom-preaching, religious fanatic, it's awfully hard to look at the way the world is shaping up today and believe that there's any direction it's heading other than disaster, and nothing we do seems to make any real difference...
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    By the end of this century means at least 50 years hence. By that time mankind will be advanced enough to take care of it. Then again, global warming is still under dispute. Note that it doesn't occur. But how, to what extend the earth/ocean will react to it. It is possible that it get balanced in due time, nature has always done it. There are also theories which say pollution will lead to a phenomenon called aerosol cooling, due to the radiation reflecting back..

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocksea
    There are also theories which say pollution will lead to a phenomenon called aerosol cooling, due to the radiation reflecting back..
    Yikes! Are you suggesting that we're going to save the world from global warming by seeing to it that the world is sufficiently polluted??
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    Seven signs is in "The Seven Seals, The seven trumpets..." That's what I mean "Seven Signs"

    Anyway, some people believe strongly that Christ might come at this
    generation. For most of the signs have been completed. The world is in turmoil and man keeps on ignoring it. Is there no hope to save it? Or is it Gods' plan to leave it to ruin?

    By the way yes Earth temp. will drop but not because of pollution. It's because of the water of the polar ice caps interfering with the oceans natural flow. So, prepare for another ice age.
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    People have been waiting for the apocolypse since the idea first popped up.

    "Behold, for I come quickly" was something like the phrase Jesus used to refer to his "imminent return" but that was 1,900 years ago. Let's just say, "quickly" is a little slower than we might imagine it should've been. Hell, draw all the signs ya like, the end times are pretty self-fulfilling anyway. If people believe the world really is going to end, they'll end it. The rest of the intelligent people on the planet will just sit back and wonder what went wrong when all these crazy people freak out and attack them though.

    If you're referring to any prophecy though, remember: 2 Peter 1:20 "knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation".
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    Yes, but you can see that this world is falling apart. Ozone layer being depleted. Earths' climate is taking a strange behavior. Epidemic diseases are starting to spread. Also, a world war lll seems eminent. Destruction can be just around the corner. Not to mention that the whole world seem oblivious to the clues.
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    This is interesting. You guys must have heard about the monstrous Tsunami earthquake that hit south and east asian regions (including my country, which caused 5000 deaths so far). Recently there are many earthquakes happening, in local or in a larger scale, and I heard many preachers from (various religions) preach in their sermons that these quake are just one sign of the comming of the end. Of course, people got scared and beginning to re-evaluate their fate. But I guess this kind of thing always happen everytime some huge disaster occured and it's funny to notice that.

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    Actually I never heard of that until now but thanks.
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    Oh I feel like giving a comment about so un-informed you are. But then, everyone has his/her own point of attention.

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    We are just another species living on this planet. Biblical proclamation or not, I guarantee you that most species on earth will have their moment in the limelight and then, PPoooffffff.......gone. 'People' may be in danger, but the planet definately is not!This planet has had lots of personifications: dust, a group of little planetoids glomming together, a molten ball of rock, etc.The planet will not care, doesn't care, what humans inflict upon it, and in a billion years the earth will still be orbiting the sun....maybe as a big chunk of dried up metamorphic rock, but, calmy orbiting nonetheless.........

    I must add here my condolences to those whose lives have been touched by the Sumatra quake/tsunami nightmare......
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    I always take comfort in knowing the dinosaurs were here for millions of years.

    We've only been here a couple thousand. 30k I believe, if my memory serves me right. That could be 300k though. The world isn't going to be ending anytime soon lest we do it ourselves. Global warming? Please. Even if you're worried about it, the effects won't truly harm anyone for another couple hundred or possibly even thousand years. World War 3 is a possibility, sure, but then again there have always been big wars. Rome Fell once upon a time, too. And everyone believed it was the End Times when it happened because of its size. Disease is natural, so I wouldn't worry so much there. If anything we're doing a spectactular job at fending off disease, unlike we usually did in the past. I'd say AIDs really is getting to be a problem, but then again, in the US people die of flu or lung cancer more often, or so I hear.

    Potentially speaking: One person dies every time you take a breath, yet we're still going. It's wishful thinking to believe you're in the End Times, is all I'm saying. Everyone wants to be there for the end, so that their fate is already destined for them and they don't have to determine it themselves. Though that is a loose generalization, I'd say it has some weight considering every generation believes they're in the End times.

    In 1910s it was the industrialization or WW1. The 1920s believed it when everyone got decadent. The 30s with the depression. The 40s with WW2. The 50s with the Cold War. The 60s with civil rights. The 70s with more decadance and Vietnam. The 80s, well, probably just the rise of the religious right did that. The 90s there was the middle east, or if you like, the 80,000 dead in Rwanda in a one day massacre.

    Take enough history and any fear of the end sort of goes by the wayside, unless you're really guillible that is.
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    But if I take enough history like you. Then I'll be just as oblivious as you are about the amount of damage done to the earth already. All of those examples you gave were of human history. Maybe you should take on some Earth history to notice that it is out of pattern and in turmoil. Maybe it won't end until 2000 years later but I figure the message should be passed along. If there is anything we can do NOW to prevent such calamity.
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    Pass whatever message you like, I say. Lucky for the dinosaurs they got wiped out by a freaking asteroid, though leave it to human ingenuity to find a way to do it themselves.

    You're more humanistic than I, by willingly attempting to progress society's chances of survival, but that's just a difference in opinion. I'm pessimistic and suppose realism, you're optimistic and also suppose it to be realistic, whether either of us is correct isn't much of a point, but it just distinguishes the subjectivity of humanity's existence. To some: When we die out the Earth will rebuild itself like it has done thousands of time before. To others: We have to save the Earth to save ourselves.

    I see humanity's demise as euthanasia for the planet's disease that is us, but that doesn't mean I can't still enjoy life. Hell, you might be happy because Jesus would return at the end of the world, which is just as selfishly thoughtless to the future. To believe anyone will return and save all the believers undermines the point to life itself: For why should one fear the end if one has nothing to lose but mortal life?
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