If god is everything, doesn't that make him evil as well as good?

[hellsapoppin]

If you don't want to believe your own Bible, that is fine and dandy with me.

But it's a good bet you will NEVER come up with a logical answer to my question about how pre-Adamite peoples have suffered from evil even though it was created only after Adam's ''fall''.

Good luck, pal, cause it's a question no one has ever answered in all of Christian history.

[Etienne]

  hellsapoppin -----/god is evil because he creates all evil./

Sorry, I cannot agree with this statement. It is just like saying that Alfred Nobel, for example, was evil because he invented dynamite or, more broadly speaking, scientists are evil because they prepared the tools for human destruction.

Nobel didn't have a claim in perfection and omnipotence.

[Pendragon]

Oh, I see --- you've been pulling my leg all along.

Funny thing is, the Bible tells us there are pre-Adamic races walking the earth and have been doing so for ''generations'' before Adam was created {Genesis 2:4}.

I read my Bible very carefully, and think carefully quoting it would be handy at times. Your scripture, my friend, from the KJV:Genesis: 2:[4] These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
[5] And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

I include the fifth verse, because it continues the fourth. Notice the line I have highlighted. These generations, were they aliens? It in fact says nothing of them walking the earth, and that there was no man to take care of it.

Biblical and Christian teaching tell us that Adam and his lot came into existence around 4004 BC. Science proves humans walked the earth for millienia before that time and that these races still exist to this day. Native Americans and people descended of their ancestry in Asia serves as an example.

I never quarrel with science on any subject as much as them trying to build a race of people from one badly fragmented skull. That the individual existed is beyond question. But that that one individual could have been diseased, mutated in some way, or genetically a freak is more logical than an entire different race from one skull.

And example here: Let us propose that John Merrick was not born when he was, but a million years before. One finding his misshapen skeleton or skull could easily be mislead into thinking it perhaps the missing link. Andre the Giant is another case in point. Humans have 32 teeth. Andre had 48. He was essentially, a giant-dwarf, and never ceased to grow as long as he lived. What would his skull have set off as a million-year-old artifact?

Obviously, it is because evil has always existed. It existed long before Adam walked the earth. And what does it ultimately mean?

It means that evil had to be created by another agency. And the Bible tells us in Isaiah 45: [7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. what that agency is.

Therefore, contrary to Christian teaching, it is your god who created that evil which complies with what the Bible teaches.

I added in the verse to your reference. The Tree in the Garden was Knowledge of Good and Evil. This man was told to leave alone, that it would bring death. He wouldn't listen. Man chose Knowledge, whether that Knowledge would be used for good or for evil. People say "money is the root of all evil." That's a misquote:

1Tim.6

1. [10] For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

It is no sin to be rich. It is not wrong to be intelligent. But when your money means more to you than God and you have became so wise in your own eyes that you don't need God, there comes forth evil.

God Bless.

Pen

[hellsapoppin]

Now go back and read Genesis 1:26, 27 and you see that man had already been created and had dominion over ''all the earth'' {verses 28,29}.


``when your money means more to you than God and you have became so wise in your own eyes that you don't need God, there comes forth evil.``


You needn't worry about me along that score as I am not a Republican.

[Pendragon]

Now go back and read Genesis 1:26, 27 and you see that man had already been created and had dominion over ''all the earth'' {verses 28,29}.


``when your money means more to you than God and you have became so wise in your own eyes that you don't need God, there comes forth evil.``


You needn't worry about me along that score as I am not a Republican.

Yes I know Popeye. It is a common error. Man was created in the image of God in the day of his creation. God is a spirit. God then housed the spirit in flesh, split the masculine and feminine into two bodies. (Wait I have reference: Gen.5
[1] This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
[2] Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.) You see, spirit. Had to divide the two latter, and took from Adam to make Eve. Yet believe what you will.

Rom.14

1. [5] One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

You have to see it for you, not because I say that's the way it is. If people could only get that part down, we'd have less arguing. A Man or woman must be persuaded in their own mind and not do things because someone else thinks or preaches it a different way. What if the person is wrong? You have followed a delusion to be damned in the end.

God Bless

Pen

[mazHur]

Yes I know Popeye. It is a common error. Man was created in the image of God in the day of his creation. God is a spirit. God then housed the spirit in flesh, split the masculine and feminine into two bodies. (Wait I have reference: Gen.5
[1] This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
[2] Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.) You see, spirit. Had to divide the two latter, and took from Adam to make Eve. Yet believe what you will.

Rom.14

1. [5] One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

You have to see it for you, not because I say that's the way it is. If people could only get that part down, we'd have less arguing. A Man or woman must be persuaded in their own mind and not do things because someone else thinks or preaches it a different way. What if the person is wrong? You have followed a delusion to be damned in the end.

God Bless

Pen

Pen is so right it makes me feel like a christian !

[hellsapoppin]

``Pen is so right it makes me feel like a christian !``


I'll gladly go to any church that practices the miracles shown in the New Testament. Jesus said that any true minister could duplicate and surpass his miracles and that's what I definitely want.

[Pendragon]

``Pen is so right it makes me feel like a christian !``


I'll gladly go to any church that practices the miracles shown in the New Testament. Jesus said that any true minister could duplicate and surpass his miracles and that's what I definitely want.

St . Matthew 7:
[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.


[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I'm sorry. I just feel it my duty to point this out. There is a song by the Gather Vocal Band where Mark Lowery as lead singer tells it like I had to live it gowning up in the old Pentecostal/Mon-Denominational tent revivals:

I've seen a lot of crazy things done in your name,
I know the tricks behind the magic show.
I've almost thrown the towel in a time or two
Just walked away from everything I know.
But that won't fill the emptiness inside of me--
Or calm the raging waters of my mind...
So if You are really out there and You're listening.
Then prove to me that those who seek shall find.

If You could just see fit to show me some of who You are.
If You could shine Your Light upon a broken sinners heart.
I need to know the truth, but I need something I can feel
I need You to make it real

There must be some good reason why You brought me here
Through valleys where The Shadow lingers close.
Down here there's a mask to cover every face,
But it's Your Sweet Face I long to see the most
So if You think that there's the slightest hope for me
In spite of all my questions and my doubt;
Then let me here Your Still Small Voice call out my name--
And let me know what others just talk about.

Song says it all. You want God, He has to make it real, not anyone else.

God Bless

Pen

[hellsapoppin]

I'm not sure why you are quoting the Bible since it is a book that I know better than most preachers do.

But yes, I'll go for a few miracles, esp on this Holiday season.

[mazHur]

Jesus was bestowed with various greatest miracles any prophet ever had.
Jesus is alive and he will return to earth as Imam Mehdi or Saviour of human kinds. It is impossible for any human to show any miracle, whatsoever, at this time or in the future,,,,and if he tries to imitate Jesus he would only be faking and getting himself into trouble like Houdi did.

[hellsapoppin]

That's not what it says in the Bible's New Testament as it is the power of the holy spirit that supposedly makes miracles.

[mazHur]

Okay, if the holy spirit makes miracles happen, then it is only Him that can do it now or in future by virtue of his position and leave of god .

[Nightshade]

Jesus was bestowed with various greatest miracles any prophet ever had.
Jesus is alive and he will return to earth as Imam Mehdi or Saviour of human kinds. It is impossible for any human to show any miracle, whatsoever, at this time or in the future,,,,and if he tries to imitate Jesus he would only be faking and getting himself into trouble like Houdi did.

Actually I dont think the Imam Mehdi is Jesus, I was pretty sure that he is supposed to be the Uniter who is a sign of the Return of Christ , ( and I delibritly use Christ as in the Messiah. As for the mircals I belive that the coorect format for reffering to them is By the will of God, which is important because it reffers too the prophets being, not only part of the mircale but as a tool of Gods Mircale.


*** Actually question what does Christ mean, anyone, I was opperating under the aassumption that it was equivellent to Messiah but it occured to me I might be wrong in which case please excuse.

[Niamh]

English term from the greek word christos meaning the anointed one. (chosen one type of thing)

[Beverly S]

The bible says that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. Only Satan is pure evil and he became that way because he chose to rebel against God.