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    Quote Originally Posted by Virgil View Post
    Harry Potter?
    Yes. At least it's not boring

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lote-Tree View Post
    Yes. At least it's not boring
    As A.S Byatt said, The Harry Potter books were:
    written for people whose imaginative lives are confined to TV cartoons, and the exaggerated (more exciting, not threatening) mirror-worlds of soaps, reality TV and celebrity gossip
    Oh, and yes, Faulkner is an aqcuired taste. I adore his work personally, but it has it's dissenters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambert View Post
    As A.S Byatt said, The Harry Potter books were:
    That's why AS Byatt books do not sell like Harry Potter

    she has no understanding of how imagination works;-)
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    Lambert said: Oh, and yes, Faulkner is an aqcuired taste. I adore his work personally, but it has it's dissenters.

    Lote-Tree said: she has no understanding of how imagination works;-)

    My question is: Is this Faulkner a man or a woman, or maybe a lovely combination?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lote-Tree View Post
    That's why AS Byatt books do not sell like Harry Potter

    But she has no understanding of how imagination works.
    Really?

    I almost believed you for a second, but then I remembered that Byatt has gotten a massive amount of critical praise and Rowling has just gotten a big fat cheque.

    So, the imagination is in the bank account, is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambert View Post
    Really?
    I almost believed you for a second, but then I remembered that Byatt has gotten a massive amount of critical praise and Rowling has just gotten a big fat cheque.
    Rowling was able to engage the imaginations of millions worldwide of both children and adults.

    Byatt only is able to engage the ego of snotty critics who know the price of everything but value of nothing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lote-Tree View Post
    Rowling was able to engage the imaginations of millions worldwide of both children and adults.
    Her prose style, heavy on cliche, makes no demands upon her readers. In an arbitrarily chosen single page--page 4--of the first Harry Potter book, I count seven cliches, all of the "stretch his legs" variety.
    A vast concourse of inadequate works, for adults and for children, crams the dustbins of the ages. At a time when public judgment is no better and no worse than what is proclaimed by the ideological cheerleaders who have so destroyed humanistic study, anything goes. The cultural critics will, soon enough, introduce Harry Potter into their college curriculum, and The New York Times will go on celebrating another confirmation of the dumbing-down it leads and exemplifies.
    -- Harold Bloom, Yale Professor i.e. Another "snotty" critic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambert View Post
    -- Harold Bloom, Yale Professor i.e. Another "snotty" critic
    Dear old professor has not been able to engage the imaginations of the few let alone millions of readers worldwide
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lote-Tree View Post
    Dear old professor has not been able to engage the imaginations of the few let alone millions of readers worldwide
    I'll emphasise this and be done.
    makes no demands upon her readers.
    I think that sums up the popularity Potter claptrap pretty nicely.

    Turn off your brain for a couple of hours and stare at banality. That'll get the "imaginations" going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambert View Post
    Turn off your brain for a couple of hours and stare at banality. That'll get the "imaginations" going.
    If it was banal it would not have enticed millions of readers worldwide both adults and children. This is the mark of how engaging her books are compared to AS Byatt.

    Byatt has the engaging ability of a nun when it comes to romance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lote-Tree View Post
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    Hahaha, I had to google that to find out what it meant. I have never read a Harry Potter book. It was only a tongue-in-cheek comment.
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    If it was banal it would not have enticed millions of readers worldwide both adults and children.

    Oh give me a break. And Madonna and Britney Spears and Survivor and Arnold Schwarzenegger are all examples of masterful art because they too have enticed an audience of millions world-wide. The reality is that the masses have nothing to do with deciding which art is great and which art will stand the test of time. Harry Potter or the DaVinci Code are but publishing phenomenas which will be lost to history... period pieces like Jonathan Livingston Seagull, Eric Segal's Love Story or the Monkees. You can dismiss the "snooty critics" all you want but all such a strategy reveals is a reverse snobbery... an anti-intellectualism, which sneers at anything which
    requires intellect, or achieves a high standard. You might also want to think upon the fact that all those snooty elitists are in actuality the people (be they critics, professors, artists/writers, or just art/literature lovers) who have invested some time and effort into seriously learning and thinking about the art of writing.
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    Give me a break. You sound about as warm as a gravestone, or Schopenhauer, good lord, I am surprised you didn't mention Danielle Steele in there. As if anyone considers Harry Potter novels or Survivor in the same vein as Faulkner.

    as far as Faulkner goes, I would choose to read a poetic flash of life via him than any sort of Joyce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virgil View Post
    What kind of novels do you like then? Harry Potter?
    Actually, I've never read Harry Potter. I thought The Brothers Karamazov was facinating. The Red Badge of Courage is one of my all time favorites. Heart of Darkness is wonderfully disturbing. I do read from all over the specturm...that only adds to my anxiety.

    Well, I asked if anything was wrong with me and it started a war between a Harry Potter fan and someone who looks down upon Harry Potter fans for liking Harry Potter. As I was reading this catty little exchange, I realized that if I went around proclaiming that I love Faulkner and everyone must read him to understand what real writing is, I was be a damn hypocrite because I would be promoting something I truely never liked myself.
    One can never make someone NOT love something due to another's opposing view wheter it be a book, movie or lover.
    I'm not making any judgements about the posters on this thread. This was just a couple random thoughts.

    FLAME ON!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelastmelon View Post
    Lambert said: Oh, and yes, Faulkner is an aqcuired taste. I adore his work personally, but it has it's dissenters.

    Lote-Tree said: she has no understanding of how imagination works;-)

    My question is: Is this Faulkner a man or a woman, or maybe a lovely combination?
    Just to clarify Melon, Faulkner is a HE. The she Lote was referring to was A.S. Byatt.
    I love how Virgil unintentionally started this war and he has never even read Harry Potter! ---That makes me giggle---By the way Badass, I tried reading “The Sound and the Fury”, and could not get into it so you are not alone. Of course, that was in my younger days and I may actually enjoy it now.
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