well i dont know, i read the whole verses of the Revelation when i was still in the elementary school and i took them all literary. Even with the dragon and the horsemen things.
well i dont know, i read the whole verses of the Revelation when i was still in the elementary school and i took them all literary. Even with the dragon and the horsemen things.
It's definitely open to discussion.
If you think about the novel... it's somewhat autobiographical. The focus is Stephen's transition from childhood into adulthood, where his path is that of an unconventional, aesthetic livelihood. Stephen is growing, rather blossoming into a person who has a deeper appreciation than your typical person for the nature of things. The way papaya is setting this up, it could be a great example of characterization – Joyce indiscreetly attempting to get in the mind of a child, to portray the mind of a child.
In a literal sense, yes it is possible that bad things sent you to hell. However, it seems to make the characterization of Stephen more complex or rich to think that perhaps he is using his imagination to interpret religion, much like he interprets other aspects of life.
Last edited by Shore Dude; 11-23-2004 at 09:27 AM.
I do not think when Steve refers to his need to 'be in bed before thegas was lowered so that he might not go to hell when he died', he means that
bed on time = heaven
not bed on time = hell.
I believe what he suggests that he needs to have said his prayers by the time lights go out. The reference to the light has more to do with the fact that as a little boy he is afraid of the dark (which is clearly stated in the previous paragraph). So as a good Christian boy he knows he needs to say his prayers before going to bed to go to heaven;but still as a young boy who is scared of the dark, he wants to do what is expected of him quickly before the light is off.
What we are reading is the thought process of a young boy, which explains the sudden subject and mood changes. Although I am still reading the first chapter, I have, much to my surprise, enjoyed it and would like to carry on.
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"It is not that I am mad; it is only that my head is different from yours.”
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Is anyone actually reading this book???
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"It is not that I am mad; it is only that my head is different from yours.”
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what is that suppose to mean..? do you think i was just babling there with my posts without actually reading it?
Sub, I was asking in general as it seems like there are very few people posting... I am sorry that you take it personally.
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"It is not that I am mad; it is only that my head is different from yours.”
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Is anyone actually reading this book???
well perhaps u shouldn't use the words "anyone" and "actually"
no problem sche
OK, here is my edited version - upon Sub's request:Originally Posted by subterranean
Is <deleted> <deleted> reading this book?
Hence:
Is reading this book?
*hopes this pleases everyone*
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"It is not that I am mad; it is only that my head is different from yours.”
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Now, i dont like things going on here..
Sorry for my previous posts..
Let's "shake hands" shall we?! Cause i dont like that roll eyes of yours.
Cheers Sche
Maybe i dont get a better understanding becoz, i'm reading a translation version, which most often, uses different words. And this caused a mis-interpretation of the real meanings as well. Ok, to make it clear, maybe we can dig deeper whether he did took it literary or not with questioning, how old was he at that time ? He was just a boy...maybe an elementary kid
I don't think the light had anything to do with the going to hell/heaven. He simply wants to finish his prayers and be in his bed by the time they turn the light off because he is afraid of the dark.
And yes, he was pretty young at the time, maybe elementary school age.
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"It is not that I am mad; it is only that my head is different from yours.”
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The following section is from Chapter 2 (towards the end of, just before the section Stephen goes to Cork with his father):
When he came out on the steps he saw his family waiting for' him at the first lamp. In a glance he noted that every figure of the group was familiar and ran down the steps angrily.
-- I have to leave a message down in George's Street, he said to his father quickly. I'll be home after you.
I have kept reading it more times than I am willing to admit here but somehow I cannot understand his unwillingness to avoid his family or the reason for his anger. Any suggestions?
Last edited by Scheherazade; 11-27-2004 at 07:26 AM.
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"It is not that I am mad; it is only that my head is different from yours.”
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I'll think about that later. And you were rite...where are other people who voted for the book?
Shame on you peeps for not joining us
Hmmm, good thing you reminded that. Where are they really? Remember who they were?
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"It is not that I am mad; it is only that my head is different from yours.”
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crisaor, erik son of chuck, nemerov, monica, hye young, caspian..
well crisaor is been busy, but dunno bout the rest
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