are women losing their sense of feminity?

[Bakiryu]

i think this is true, and i alluded to the cultural phenomena of male metrosexuals. lifestyles of men and women are changing, that's evident enough. so do you think that the decline of femininity is in some way tied to a more general change in the roles of gender? or are they separate?

It's pretty much all tied up together. With men deciding they don't really care about being manly and social standards for both sexes being relaxed. Why put the effort into being more feminine, if nobody cares?

[Redzeppelin]

Women are losing their sense of femininity as much as men are losing their sense of masculinity.

Perfectly true - and a disaster for modern relationships.

Feminity doesn't exist. It was imposed by a patriarchal society to make women inferior...

Absurd; psychology has clearly acknowledged that men and women are "wired" up differently, that - at their core - they are fundamentally different not only in body, but in emotional, psychological and relational makeup. Get real - patriarchal societies do not have the power to make women "feminine" - although it can influence them towards masculinity (as we currently see, and that's not a pretty picture). And, by the way, what would women be like had patriarchal society not foisted their phony "femininity" on them? Masculine? What?

[jon1jt]

Perfectly true - and a disaster for modern relationships.



Absurd; psychology has clearly acknowledged that men and women are "wired" up differently, that - at their core - they are fundamentally different not only in body, but in emotional, psychological and relational makeup. Get real - patriarchal societies do not have the power to make women "feminine" - although it can influence them towards masculinity (as we currently see, and that's not a pretty picture). And, by the way, what would women be like had patriarchal society not foisted their phony "femininity" on them? Masculine? What?

well said, Red. i agree---it's true, how the heck does a patriarchal society make a woman feminine??

given the fact that women are moving towards masculinity, i wonder whether the laws of evolution hold that women will eventually begin to grow a beard.

[Granny5]

I’ve been thinking about this and I believe, for now anyway,
that some things that make us feel feminine have fallen to the
wayside. Men have become confused, and for good reason, about
how women should be treated. Men used to open doors, sit only
after the female was seated, stand when a woman entered the room,
lift any heavy objects, and just generally be gentlemen around women.
Now I don’t know if they know what is the correct way to behave.
There is a big difference in equality in the workplace and in life.
Some women are confused too. They think it’s an insult to them
as women if a man treats them like my mother expected to be treated.
I think that if I stood by and waited for a man about to enter a door
that I was about to enter to open it, I’d be standing there a long time.
Unless the man is older, I don’t think he’d know what my problem was.
When we are dressed and going out, Poppy walks around and opens
my car door for me. On a daily basis, trips to the store and whatnot,
he’d think there was something wrong with me if I sat there and waited
for him to come around and open my door. The social climate now is
confusing for both sexes. We aren’t just losing our femininity, but
I think men have lost something too.

[jon1jt]

I’ve been thinking about this and I believe, for now anyway,
that some things that make us feel feminine have fallen to the
wayside. Men have become confused, and for good reason, about
how women should be treated. Men used to open doors, sit only
after the female was seated, stand when a woman entered the room,
lift any heavy objects, and just generally be gentlemen around women.
Now I don’t know if they know what is the correct way to behave.
There is a big difference in equality in the workplace and in life.
Some women are confused too. They think it’s an insult to them
as women if a man treats them like my mother expected to be treated.
I think that if I stood by and waited for a man about to enter a door
that I was about to enter to open it, I’d be standing there a long time.
Unless the man is older, I don’t think he’d know what my problem was.
When we are dressed and going out, Poppy walks around and opens
my car door for me. On a daily basis, trips to the store and whatnot,
he’d think there was something wrong with me if I sat there and waited
for him to come around and open my door. The social climate now is
confusing for both sexes. We aren’t just losing our femininity, but
I think men have lost something too.

you make some excellent points and come to an interesting conclusion. i have experienced women dismiss respectable, decent men time and again and settle for a "bad boy."

the problem starts and ends with women and their nutty desire to be with that kind of guy. the challenge literally consumes them. perhaps this awful drive is inspired by their motherly instinct to nurture and rehabilitate. It becomes a power struggle---a game, a game that women created and bad boys control, while the rest of the single male population sits around wondering why in the hell those women would even bother in the first place.

[Granny5]

Well, there are women like that but I think most of us marry good guys. There aren't a lot left, but at least I got one. Some women seem to always pick the worse kind of guy and you may be right about the mothering instinct. But I think they are not the majority of women.

[Scheherazade]

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[papayahed]

Well, there are women like that but I think most of us marry good guys. There aren't a lot left, but at least I got one. Some women seem to always pick the worse kind of guy and you may be right about the mothering instinct. But I think they are not the majority of women.

Yeah, after a few bad experiences I think we all come to our senses.

[Riesa]

I say all of us drinking, swearing women should get together and kick some pasty intellectual misogynist ***. and we'll do it in high-heels and lipstick. littlewing, you in?

thanks, Virgil, that is so sweet.

and some of my favorite men go about picking flowers, and reek of sweet sentiment. so...life is complex.

I think if I had a nanny, a housekeeper, a landscaper, a cook, I'd be more inclined to be sweetly feminine.

[littlewing53]

hi riesa...i agree, life is for the living....oh, great words of wisdom.....i think you forgot the window washer at the end....

[Niamh]

I say all of us drinking, swearing women should get together and kick some pasty intellectual misogynist ***. and we'll do it in high-heels and lipstick. littlewing, you in?

thanks, Virgil, that is so sweet.

and some of my favorite men go about picking flowers, and reek of sweet sentiment. so...life is complex.

I think if I had a nanny, a housekeeper, a landscaper, a cook, I'd be more inclined to be sweetly feminine.

I'm up for it if its stillettos! I wonder what my worrior women ansestors would do in a situation like this........?

[kilted exile]

Just an interesting (well to me anyway) point about stillettos. getting trampled by women in stillettos can be more dangerous than an elephant due to weight distribution.

[Virgil]

Just an interesting (well to me anyway) point about stillettos. getting trampled by women in stillettos can be more dangerous than an elephant due to weight distribution.

That had me chuckling out loud. I wonder how many here understand that. Actually i've got a weight distribution problem on a design right now at work.

[Idril]

I say all of us drinking, swearing women should get together and kick some pasty intellectual misogynist ***. and we'll do it in high-heels and lipstick. littlewing, you in?

Hey! That sounds like a great idea! Maybe we can get a couple fierce tattoos and piercings while we're at it, something pretty and feminine like fairies or and angel wings.

[Niamh]

Hey! That sounds like a great idea! Maybe we can get a couple fierce tattoos and piercings while we're at it, something pretty and feminine like fairies or and angel wings.

And adopt a name like The Femme Fatale Faeries!