What about all the men who encourage women to be sleazy? All the rappers and male celebrities objectifying women in their "art" and music? Women like the ones Jon mentioned being idolized by males as the ideal of physical beauty? What kind of message are men sending to women by showing their "appreciation" for these female celebrities?
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Yeah, for the rest of them. But this no underwear with kilt thing can be a real painOriginally Posted by Shalot
Ok, so back on topic. I have a lot of female friends who drink, smoke & swear. I dont see them as any less feminine, less "strait-laced" perhaps but not less feminine.
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i'm sure all us women on litnet appreciate those works kilted!
So its true about the kilt thing.
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The original post is patronizing, sexist, offensive and ignorant in the extreme.
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i'll never tell.
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this thread makes me want to drink tequila while riding a motorcycle in silk pajamas to the nail salon to get a pedicure before running off to Mexico (by myself) to compete in a wind-sailing competition, and make my way, perhaps, (If I really felt like it) to jump off of the empire state building in a prom-dress and a bowler hat, on the way down I'll curse like a sailor. Of course, I am a stay-at-home mom, and what I will end up doing is cleaning toilets and picking the kids up at 2:45. but I might curse like a sailor, because I can. and even a rat in a trap while struggle 'till they are dead.
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If you are referring to my "works" to prevent displaying myself when wearing a kilt, I think women are not the main ones that appreciate iti'm sure all us women on litnet appreciate those works kilted!
If it is a typo and you meant words well erm yeah
There once was a scotsman named Drew
Who put too much wine in his stew
He felt a bit drunk
And fell off his bunk
And landed smack into his shoe ~(C) Ms Niamh Anne King
typo. ment words!its amazing how typing in one letter wrong can change the intire meaning of a sentence!
I was refaring to this statement
Ok, so back on topic. I have a lot of female friends who drink, smoke & swear. I dont see them as any less feminine, less "strait-laced" perhaps but not less feminine.
"Come away O human child!To the waters of the wild, With a faery hand in hand, For the worlds more full of weeping than you can understand."
W.B.Yeats
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that's an interesting point, granny, i'd like to hear you elaborate some on your idea that men contributed to the demise of women. how so? i think in some sense that is true.
this reminds me of women in the 1950s, the so-called happy homemaker. the average age a women married in the '50s was 20 or 21. but women rebelled the following decade, the 1960s, rejecting what they saw as an oppressive lifestyle.
the ideas of feminism were flourishing in the 1960s, remember?
perhaps the women who behave like slobby men today are unconsciously bitter or resentful that breaking free was not what they really wanted, it was only what they thought they wanted.
think about it this way, women in many ways have returned to that cushy life of "security" that the 1950s had offered them. and even though more women today are pursuing careers and earning six figure salaries, there still is an underlying tension in the relations between men and women. why?
my answer is that women learned that they need men, and so perhaps women are jealous because men are truly free and they are not, no matter how much they liberate themselves.
the modern woman's i-do-what-i-want-when-i-want attitude may be their silent way of saying "F-off" to the world.
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"He was nauseous with regret when he saw her face again, and when, as of yore, he pleaded and begged at her knees for the joy of her being. She understood Neal; she stroked his hair; she knew he was mad."
---Jack Kerouac, On The Road: The Original Scroll
Ive been thinking about this for the last hour or so and it occurs to me that what is going on here is a conflicit between different deffintions of feminity.
I mean look at it this way it depend on how you define what is feminie. Say there exsists a culture ( not sure there is one but whatever) where the woman does the hunting and all that other stuff- then in That culture feminie is the hunting person who _lets go with this_ smells of rotten meat and spits and curses and whatvere. And its more 'masculine' to stay home and clean.
So, if anyone is still following, my point is that we have the shall we call it pre femnist ideal of feminie and today in our PC post post modern post post feminist ( I actually had a teacher who referted to this era as that ) era we have the conflicts of the objectification and general hypocricy towards women ( see The Sun for further ref) the equality argument, and the a whole load of other arguments about gender roles and steryotypes all clashed together resulting in 'the modern woman'.
And that was me waffling meaninglessly- its good to be back
EDIT: Im strangly reminded of a short story from the 1920s or earlier I think. about a couple --who are jealous of each other the husband because the wife stays at home and does nothing all day and the wife because he gets to go out and she is stuck with the kids and the house- who swap bodies for the day and each find that really they were happier in the roles they had orginally. Although I do remeber thinking the woman got a bit of a bashing.
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I cannot help thinking that what men really want is Stepford wives:
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This thread is hilarious.
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