are women losing their sense of feminity?

[jon1jt]

Are women losing their sense of femininity?

women are becoming slobs, especially the ones between 18-35 but by no means limited to that age group. i've seen grandmothers behave like out of control children.


what i mean is, women have no class---they curse, yell, spit, smoke, drink beer, do shots until they babble, wear slutty clothes, and seem to go out of their way to be outrageous for attention. just consider Paris Hilton.


it's not just the outrageous behavior, it rolls up to the level of female professionals who behave like barbarians in the workplace, taking on attitudes and behaviors that were once only assigned to the worst men. some women even pride themselves in having a reputation as a "*itch"


nor have i seen men make spectacles of themselves to the degree women do---not even in the tabloids. it's most often women.

there's a sense in all this that women no longer stand for that divine presence they once possessed, or in the way Chet Baker once sung about them. ahhh.

have you experienced a decline in womanhood?

[Virgil]

Jon, you must want to live dangerously. I thought I was the only fool who would start a thread like this.

[jon1jt]

Jon, you must want to live dangerously. I thought I was the only fool who would start a thread like this.

i figure we could get some some civility from the girls and have a real discussion on a very important subject. because they want to drive the truck doesn't mean they have to act like the truck driver.

[Lote-Tree]

What is Feminity?

Does that equate with Servility?

[jon1jt]

What is Feminity?

Does that equate with Servility?

no, it equates with decency, respect, class.

this notion of servility has provided the pretext for women to behave not-like-a woman. women have to start fessing up to that harsh truth. you can't have it both ways.

[Lote-Tree]

no, it equates with decency, respect, class.

We should all aspire to these qualities - regardless of gender?

[Mortis Anarchy]

I agree. Why do men get to spit, drink, curse, sleep around? I'm not saying those things are good, but why would gender seperate what a person can do.

I do agree though that a lot of women have lost their classiness or whatever. I love the whole feminine look but being allowed to be there own person. That there isn't restrictions on what a woman can do because she isn't a man!

I think that what you see in the tabloids is a different story altogether...ehm Paris Hilton, Britney Spears etc.

Isn't great that we can all be different...that we are all individuals...that we don't have to stick to one stereotype or one way of life or whatever?!

I am a woman, and I can say that spitting is disgusting. That goes for men as well. And sleeping around or whatever...well I don't agree with that either but again for both genders. The rest of the stuff, ok...I guess you could say in moderation. I HATE it when people tell me I can't do stuff. I HATE it. I hardly ever use the word hate, but I am deadly serious when I say it right now. But, yes there is always a but, I don't do things that I don't believe in...so I really don't think that women 'act' out because they are escaping the whole servility thing.

Why do men get to do those things without losing anything...without getting a bad reputation? Why shove it all on the woman?

and I agree with Lote-Tree, that we should aspire to decency, class and respect despite gender.

[Themis]

i figure we could get some some civility from the girls and have a real discussion on a very important subject. because they want to drive the truck doesn't mean they have to act like the truck driver.

I can assure you, I don't want to drive a truck.

nor have i seen men make spectacles of themselves to the degree women do---not even in the tabloids. it's most often women.

Now, why would that be? Of course, because we've got much more to tell (and show ) people.

@Topic: Some women have class, some don't. Alas, one mostly meets women who don't have class; but nobody is interested in those who do nowadays.

[Granny5]

Ok, so we aren't what we used to be, but men aren't what they used to be either. I don't remember the last time a man opened a door for me and let me walk through first..oh wait, my 5 year old grandson does it all the time.
But, in some respects, women have let some of their womanly ways fall by the wayside.

[NikolaiI]

I haven't seen a trend like this! I have friends who drink and smoke, at parties, but this doesn't make them classless and I think they are wonderful persons.

[Granny5]

I'm having a cigarette with my highball...Just joking, it's coffee. I think Virgil has corrupted the minds of some of our younger LitNeter. We women have become a bit lazy I think. It's easier to get ready for work without the makeup and doing the hair thing. I have to make an effort everyday. It's just laziness, I think. And, as a whole, folks don't play the roles like we used to. Not as many formal dress or places to go. Too many "dress casual" events.
I don't know. I think we have lost something, but I'm not sure if we lost it or if men just tossed it out.

That doesn't make much sense now that I've read what I wrote. Did we lose something or did men toss it out? That's better. Anyway, I don't scratch much and I don't spit unless I'm having a chew.

[Virgil]

I'm having a cigarette with my highball...Just joking, it's coffee. I think Virgil has corrupted the minds of some of our younger LitNeter.

Wait, what did I do to corrupt the younger ones? I'm usually really gentile with the younger people. Except if they hit a nerve.


As to Jon's subject, I have noticed over the years that girls have picked up many of the guy's bad habits. I even catch my wife swearing now when she never did that in the past. That doesn't excuse guys, but girls shouldn't emulate the bad habits.

[Granny5]

If they are such bad habits, why do men enjoy them so much? I've heard men brag on such thing as their ability to spit, burp, cuss, and even worse. Women do NOT have contest to see who can write their names in snow ya know. Gosh, I hope we don't pick up that bad habit! At my age..........
(Virgil, you know that you do like to stir things up on occasion.)

[Virgil]

(Virgil, you know that you do like to stir things up on occasion.)

Oh yes, I do that. But corrupt is the wrong word. I try to be fatherly, actually.

If they are such bad habits, why do men enjoy them so much? I've heard men brag on such thing as their ability to spit, burp, cuss, and even worse. Women do NOT have contest to see who can write their names in snow ya know. Gosh, I hope we don't pick up that bad habit! At my age..........

Yeah why do boys do that? I remembering doing those things, at least the spitting and cussing. I didn't burb or other bodily noises in public, but I know what you mean. I think it's a phase boys go through. Hopefully they grow out of it, but many don't.

[Scheherazade]

Well, damned if you do, damned if you don't...

There are many threads on this Forum where women have been mocked because of their 'feminine' habits and interests and here we have this thread.