They doesn't have any special connection...It's nothing cryptic, Idril; it's totally normal. He used mushrooms to say he doesn't want to marry her, he didn't won't to hurt her too much.Originally Posted by Idril
They doesn't have any special connection...It's nothing cryptic, Idril; it's totally normal. He used mushrooms to say he doesn't want to marry her, he didn't won't to hurt her too much.
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I do find it cryptic. If someone used mushrooms to end a relationship with me, I would be completely and utterly confused, I would probably respond with, "What the heck is that supposed to mean?"but she just accepted and understood it. I know women were in a different position then, their fates were in the hands of others so I suppose it's not like she had a lot to say in the matter but still, I stand by my original impression, that it's kind of weird. Poetic, yes, nonconfrontational, yes, perhaps even kind but odd nonetheless. I do like your explanation of it though, it does make it seem, at least a little bit, less weird.
the luminous grass of the prairie hides
feet lovely and still as sleeping doves,
porcelain bones strong enough to carry a life,
but weighty and unmovable
As black Dakota hills. ~ Riesa
For end, there has to be a start...She realized it, and there was nothing she could do.I do find it cryptic. If someone used mushrooms to end arelationship with me, I would be completely and utterly confused, I would probably respond with, "What the heck is that supposed to mean?"
She wasn't helpless, nobody forced her to anything and nobody controlled her.I know women were in a different position then, their fates were in the hands of others
At thunder and tempest, At the world's coldheartedness,
During times of heavy loss And when you're sad
The greatest art on earth Is to seem uncomplicatedly gay.
To get things clear, they have to firstly be very unclear. But if you get them too quickly, you probably got them wrong.
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I didn't mean to imply she was helpless but because of her social position, she wasn't really in a place to press her suit, like you, yourself said, there was nothing she could do but accept.
I'll tell you what my first impressions were about that scene. To me, he seemed like someone dealing with an addiction, not literally of course, just figuratively, someone who was struggling with self-destructive tendencies and behavior and they see the path they should take, the path that may be harder but will ultimately be more rewarding and he sets his sights on that path but once it gets right down to it, he can't follow through and instead of just owning up to it, telling Verenka that while he has feelings for her and thought they could make a go of it, in the end he just can't give up his current way of life, he takes the coward's way out and starts talking about mushrooms. Your interpretation makes me see that there is another, equally valid way of looking at it but it seems to be a very romantic view and since I'm not even remotely a romantic but very much a realist, I tend to look at his inability to be straight forward with her as weakness and not kindness. However, I have no need to think my interpretation of it is right.
the luminous grass of the prairie hides
feet lovely and still as sleeping doves,
porcelain bones strong enough to carry a life,
but weighty and unmovable
As black Dakota hills. ~ Riesa
You left that romance behind you, ha granny?
Well, I'm much younger and I probably see some things different(what would we discuss if we all would think the same), but maybe I am wrong?
Your wisdom is maybe more powerful than my youth, but you surely had some doubts when you were my age; lucky you if you hadn't.
At thunder and tempest, At the world's coldheartedness,
During times of heavy loss And when you're sad
The greatest art on earth Is to seem uncomplicatedly gay.
To get things clear, they have to firstly be very unclear. But if you get them too quickly, you probably got them wrong.
If you need me urgent, send me a PM
That's very true, I have been jaded by life experience and disappointment, just you wait until you get old and bitter, then maybe you'll look at it a different way.You left that romance behind you, ha granny?
Well, I'm much younger and I probably see some things different(what would we discuss if we all would think the same), but maybe I am wrong?
Your wisdom is maybe more powerful than my youth, but you surely had some doubts when you were my age; lucky you if you hadn't.
the luminous grass of the prairie hides
feet lovely and still as sleeping doves,
porcelain bones strong enough to carry a life,
but weighty and unmovable
As black Dakota hills. ~ Riesa
I already feel very old...I am kidding, my old friend!That's very true, I have been jaded by life experience and disappointment, just you wait until you get old and bitter, then maybe you'll look at it a different way.
At thunder and tempest, At the world's coldheartedness,
During times of heavy loss And when you're sad
The greatest art on earth Is to seem uncomplicatedly gay.
To get things clear, they have to firstly be very unclear. But if you get them too quickly, you probably got them wrong.
If you need me urgent, send me a PM
I read this discussion a few times and thought about it. You're both right and definitely your views are different because of the age.
Like Baz,my young age makes me think that the ''romantic'' interpretation fits better, but yours, Idril, is also true. There could be many interpretations, and that's really well, because that makes us debating over here, doesn't it? That's the goal of LitNet: to make us share ideas.What do you think about re-reading Anna Karenina twenty years later, come on the same thread and discuss what does that scene makes us feel.
Dream as though you'll live forever, live as though you'll die today (James Dean)
I am afraid that after 20 years, I will read this and maybe think: was I really that stupid???
At thunder and tempest, At the world's coldheartedness,
During times of heavy loss And when you're sad
The greatest art on earth Is to seem uncomplicatedly gay.
To get things clear, they have to firstly be very unclear. But if you get them too quickly, you probably got them wrong.
If you need me urgent, send me a PM
I do understand your fears. I am also worried what would I believe about this subject 20 years later. Changes always make me feel strange. I guess that's part of my personality. But not all kinds of changes. For example, I like to travel and to read different kinds of books. I think I'm afraid of the IDEA which alters as time passes.
Dream as though you'll live forever, live as though you'll die today (James Dean)
No matter how clever you are, you're still 14...From now on, every day and every book will create mess in your head and in 10 years will see who you are.
Probably someone totally different than today, or maybe you'll stay the same. I think I stayed almost the same, but my friends then say: Buddy, once you were normal child...
At thunder and tempest, At the world's coldheartedness,
During times of heavy loss And when you're sad
The greatest art on earth Is to seem uncomplicatedly gay.
To get things clear, they have to firstly be very unclear. But if you get them too quickly, you probably got them wrong.
If you need me urgent, send me a PM
I understand and I guess you're right.
Buddy, once you were normal child...
Dream as though you'll live forever, live as though you'll die today (James Dean)
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