Virgil, great - that is a good way of thinking of it. Thanks.
Thanks, I really got lucky on this one. I was just leafing through my book, looking for the date that Frieda and Lawrence eloped/married. I wasn't even looking for anything about PO in the book, when his reference just caught my eye. I was so happy to come across it, because my thoughts were running in that direction. Here was some solid proof of what I had been thinking. So often I don't remember specific things like that, which I have read in these biographies. I have biography overload by now! I should have kept notes all along; I am not good at doing so, nor do I like to mark up my books. I think this passage throws much light on the story, especially the fact that the officer was an aristocrat, like his father-in-law.That is great biographical background to the story Janine. Your knowledge of his life is invaluable. Thanks.
Yes, we can hold off. I knew I was venturing a bit into the rest of the story but it was in the passage and I really wanted to quote it while I knew where it was in the book. I will try to read all of Part I again this weekend. Funny, I have been thinking how I should read the whole story again, since I only read it once. I may have read it years back, because I felt like the ending was familiar.and
Ah, the sexual tension theme. I wanted to hold off a little on this. I wanted to see if anyone could pinpoint a tangible reason for the conflict between the two. Or is it just sexual? I'm going to re-read the story this weekend, looking specifically for the cause of their hatred. Can you skim over Part I again and try to find it too?
I definitely had thought of the Birkin/Gerald relationship. Funny because in a way Birkin was the gentler and Gerald more aristocratic and brutal at times. Birkin could never have been a brutal person I don't think. The two relationships in WIL are so different, setting up another contrast.Yes, I saw the similarity with Women In Love, the Birken/Gerald relationship. Definitely L is using the same imagery, and there is certainly significance there. But the Birken/Gerald relationship is quite different than the Captain/Orderly.
Also, the snow element is big - you might recall that. I did not want to mention specifically, just what that was all about, since it entails final scenes in the book; it might be our monthly read (keeping my fingers crossed).
Yes, I think horses represent power to Lawrence, or maybe more the idea of man having more power over the horse - another form of control. A horse is both a gentle and very powerful animal - again a dicotomy - but for a man to control so powerful a creature, he must therefore be the more powerful of the two. In HDD wasn't that the case - the scene with the work horses so graphically discribed? Yet man controlled them?Yes, I think we've said a lot already about the character's characteristics. Except for one detail there, and that is the horse. Horses repeatedly show up in L works, and just like Gerald is on horseback in WIL, the Captain is on horseback here.
You know Lawrence did actually ride when he was on his ranch in New Mexico. Perhaps it made him feel powerful and controlling. Lawrence was a controlling type man, it is well documented. It is said he was so with his wife, Frieda, or at least tried to be.
A horse is prominent in St. Mawr - is that correct? I think he wrote that when he lived there, not sure, would have to look it up. But anyway, interesting to note that the orderly rides the captain's horse away towards the end. Hope I am not giving anything away mentioning that, but all should have read the story by now anyway.
Yes, Gerald is a great example of the horse being controlled by the man. Gerald represented power, maybe a false power since he really was very fragile in reality. He rides and could tower over people when he was high on horseback. He is the epitomy of power controlling his horse. Do you recall the vicious asault on the train when he was on horseback? The horse was greatly abused and frightened nearly to death, and this gave him a thrill and an instant sadistic sense of power, plus Gudrun and Ursula witnessed the whole scene and he knew it. He was quite brutal, beating the poor animal to charge into the moving train.



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inspirangel, glad to see you again! I thought you ran off. Yes, it sure did take off and things are lively. But don't dispair at all. Virgil went on a short business trip, without his laptop, so now is a good time to jump in tomorrow. I was holding back some till he returned and now it's great you returned, too. Good timing. Take your time reading everything that has been posted for I am sure it will all be enlightening to you and we are all here to learn something new - right? You will catch up --- no hurry really! I need a break too; my poor brain has been taxed lately and it is aching
I have to go out now so see you soon. Have a great evening! Janine
