NTHS - Animal Farm

[hschroepfer22]

Ok this comment is similar to Keanna's.....but when the animals took over the farm, to me, it seemed awfully simple....they had a little battle and that was it! They overtook it with no problem! It seemed all-too-easy.....

[jgross]

keanna your totally right

ya i didnt get the book either it isnt my type of book

maybe the farm does symbolize as russia or something it would make sense i guess

would the animals have taken control if the humans had fought back with weapons or would they still have won?

[keannabug7]

yea exactly... are the humans to stupid to realize the ability they have to overcome the animals?
and as heidi said it all happened wat to easy.. u honestly think this would happen it could be won so quickly.?

on a side note: why did they want the humans out? they provided them with food. and when it was animal farm they were woking more and eating less.. was it really the best thing in the long run?

[OdoyleRules]

What was the purpose for George Orwell writing Animal farm??

[OdoyleRules]

Ok, one thing I did not get was if the pigs where trying to get away from humanizing Animal Farm, then why did the pigs learn how to write from a spelling book?!?

This is for Andrewhugs, I never thought of boxer in that sort of symbolism, it made me think does that mean in a communist country there are more "boxers" then "snowballs","napoleons" and "squealers", because the "boxers" think it's for the good of their government to do what their told. While their are few pigs, because there the eduacated ones in the comminity who know how to persuade others in " doing what is right for the country" ?!?!

[keannabug7]

yea exactly.. and why would the pigs start to become exactly wat they thought was bad? (the humans)

[OdoyleRules]

I think Old Majors intentions were good, he was sick of being opressed for his whole life, and wanted to do something about it. After he died everything went hay in hand basket, because the new breed of visionaries controled and manipulated the animals to beleive everyone did an equal shar on making Old Majors "dream" of having a better life a reality.

[XXXsammyXXX]

i agree with keanna i also found it ironic how the pigs turned into exactally what they rebelled against

[DHarley]

Keanna the humans tried to overtake the farm twice and it did not work, but the humans also though that the farm would fail and all the animals would die so the humans did not feel the need to attack again.

[keannabug7]

well ya david i understand that. but did the humans try the same thing twice? because i know if i did something and it didnt work i would try again in a different way. but on the second note the pigs were becoming like humans ! right???

[paulteach]

You will understand Keanna - I promise you will- Use this "chat" to understand the book fully - then we will go over Russian Revolution...Hang in there.

The rest of you ----Have I told you how brilliant and cool you are lately? Well after hours of watching you chat here - DAMN YOUR SMOOTH! Keep up the good work - only you guys could pull off such a wonderfully diverse seminar rich with EDUCATION!

[XXXsammyXXX]

happy new years!!!

[k_d_20]

when napoleon says "i will give you the same toast as before, but in a different form. Fill your glasses to the brim. Gentlemen, here is my toast: To the prosperity of The Manor Farm!" (pg. 138)

does anyone think as i do myself that when he says this its kinda like when people say dont look at the glass half full so its like hes saying take in all this information and all the information i have given you. does anyone else think that he might be saying that? and what is that called not symbolizing but what?

[Triskele]

I think that if communism or a government based off of it were to ever work, you would need to start from ground zero. you could not take america and say BAM!!! your all equal. Again i think you would need a select group of individuals that are first and foremost intelligent and for lack of a better word, nice. I kind of think that people do not really want to be equal. On a cultural level, a religious level and individual people do not always crave equality. Think of what your life might be like with everyone equal, all races and all religions. It would be good but then again you have uneducated nasty people equal with intelligent, honest and nice people. Somesort of clensing (i know its an evil word) would have to take place. Some people just shouldnt be equal to others, like nasty people. but then again, is it our society that creates these nasty people because of the inequalities and the gap b/w rich and poor and race. I believe that if a country could begin new, with select people, that is the only way communism would work.

i greatly agree, but the process i think is in action. more social welfare programs are being put into place than ever before. it is a long and slow workers revolution, but its happening!!! it is not necessary to create anew... just reform what already is with the people you have.

[Triskele]

You will understand Keanna - I promise you will- Use this "chat" to understand the book fully - then we will go over Russian Revolution...Hang in there.

The rest of you ----Have I told you how brilliant and cool you are lately? Well after hours of watching you chat here - DAMN YOUR SMOOTH! Keep up the good work - only you guys could pull off such a wonderfully diverse seminar rich with EDUCATION!

but how can you first understand the book, then the politics, especially when the book is inherantly political