Are humans special or are we nothing more the mere rabbits

[miss tenderness]

Turk,if you are a Muslim,then you must have faith in them,it's the 2nd pillar of Iman after believing in Allah. Allah,swt, says inthe holy Quran"whomever is an enemy of Allah and His angels andGabrail, Michal(name of an angel),then God is an enemy of those who are unbelievable"my translation 4 the holy text.
They are not machines(astaghfir Allah,I ask his forgiveness)They are God'creation,He created them from Light,and for a wisdom He ,subhanhu wa ta'ala knows. How can you talk about them like this?Turk!!how can you??do not compare those unsinful angels to Satan. He hasn't obeyed His God. They DO everyday and every moment. I love them because Allah loves them,proofs:>>read the holy Quran and all the verses of praising them.Ever heard of this ayah(verse)"nay,those are an honorable slaves of God". Allah knows best.
I believe in Allah,His angels,His books,His messengers,the day of judgment,and the fate>>>these are the sixth pillar of Islams,no one can be a Muslim eccept if he accepts them and believe in them(notice that angels are the 2nd??is it because they are machines!!!!!!)??Allah Knows better.

[Turk]

I believe angels of course. I said how can i love an angel?

And i didn't say they are machines, i said they are "like" machines, it's easy to see resemblance i think.

And i didn't compare angels to Satan. I said SATAN WAS THE ONE WHO THOUGHT HE'S SUPREME THAN HUMAN.

I read Qur'an. But more importantly i understand it. I just asked "how can you love an angel?". Saying i love'em cuz Allah loves em is not the answer of my question.

[miss tenderness]

Where did you read it m.tenderness? A human is always supreme than an angel, unless he betray his creation. So a human is supreme than angel in beginning. Actually even asking this question is somewhat silly by itself; because angels are like machines. They have no free will. Remember who compared himself to man; Satan. And i don't love any angels, how can you love an angel? It doesn't have any meaning.

the way you put Satin matter is just a way of trying to redicule the angels,dnt you think?it's like saying:"look what one of them did"!


IT'S AN ANSWER,I LOVE THEM COZ THEY ARE A BASIC OF My RELIGION>>>isn 't this an enough reason??!Even if you the machine matter is just a matter of comparison,it's not proper at all. those ceatures have great great respect in out religion,you should've showed even a bit.
I'm honored to stand here and defend those grand angels

thanks for challanging my understanding for the holy Quran,a person who says why should we love them,is defintely understands our God purpose and orders! however,I will never under any cirumstances underestame any Muslim's understanding of the holy book nor I'm going to give a judgment on that. who knows myabe they are better than me. It's not a good thing to say to any of my brothers and sisters,so thanks for judging my understanding.

[Scheherazade]

Just a quick note:

satin
noun [U]

a type of cloth, sometimes made of silk, which is smooth and shiny on one side but not on the other:
a cream satin dress

Satan
noun [U] FORMAL

the name used by Christians and Jews for the Devil (= a powerful evil force and the enemy of God)

(Both definitions are from http://dictionary.cambridge.org/)

[miss tenderness]

,Scher!
I have the google spelling check toolbar, but I dnt have time to use it!you get the meaning anyway!

[jon1jt]

I think Aristotle sums it up quite nicely about the difference between humans and the rest of the world:

"All men by nature desire to know. An example of this is the delight that we take in our senses." -First sentence of Metaphysics


the poster mentions rabbits. I like rabbits, they're cute.

[Virgil]

I think Aristotle sums it up quite nicely about the difference between humans and the rest of the world:

"All men by nature desire to know. An example of this is the delight that we take in our senses." -First sentence of Metaphysics


the poster mentions rabbits. I like rabbits, they're cute.

Thanks for that quote Jon. I was wondering what Aristotle would or has said on the subject, and while I did a quick google on it I didn't find anything significant. I think rabbits are cute too. iIve got a few relatives who find them tasty.

[Nightshade]

IT'S AN ANSWER,I LOVE THEM COZ THEY ARE A BASIC OF My RELIGION>>>

not saying I disagree with you exactly but does that mean you love fate good and evil?

and how can humans more supreme which by the way is the not the word any of us mean I dont think I think the word we are looking for or rather phrase is 'better loved in the eyes of God' because corect me if Im wrong but I was under the impression supreme in the religious context is linked to all powerfull and holiness and may I just say there is no way that humans are more holy that the angels.

Having said that angels are not like humans in that they CANNOT disobey like turk said on the other hand they are capable of thought which a machine isnt. As demonstrated in the beging of suurat el baquarah when the angels ask God why he would create such a destructive creature as man, when he had them.
Then again Satan who is another creature with free will was loved more than the angels because of his independet choice to love and obey God, and siding with the angels in the great Jjin wars, so prehaps in some ways we are better than angels except all the angels already reside and all alwasy will in heaven and yet only 1/7th of the people who call themselves muslims will ever see heaven.

At the sametime Im not sure you can even say you/I/ whoever as a phrase love god becasue surly love of God is love of yourself??
A sheik ( cant rember who but hes dead allah yarhumuh) said that if only more people were truly selfish then there would be more good people in the world. To clarify that he meant iif people were just so selfish and greedy and desirous of getting a big present at the end then everyone would be good so they got it.

[miss tenderness]

not saying I disagree with you exactly but does that mean you love fate good and evil?

angels are not like fate. I mean angels have names and cetain duties that they are given. They to some extent close to human,fate actually is not.I I feel that this comparison is not fair to them,I mean they tottaly represent something very very didffrent than fate.

you know,Night,being satisfied with your fate is what having faith in fate means.So we have to be satisied and accept our faith(and it's just natural that u hate the bad conditions,if not so you're not a normal human,so it's okay to hate it inside you but trying to change it for the better ,having peace insid you and not trying to coimmit suicid and other unacceptable acts)Ever heard of this hadeeth(all faithfuls' matter is good, if bad befallen him,he'll be patiant and thank God (this is good for him)and if good befallen him he thanks God (this is good for him).in other words: love your faith ,be satisfied with it. So if I have faith in God and I know that He's the one who chooses how my fate goes,then I have to love my fate too.
I'm not saying that I do be happy always with my bad fate ,nah,I just know it's from Him and I have to accept it.
There are other haddeth(ghdsi)says: (do not swear at(or curse)time,because it's Me)means God is the one who makes our fate and changes it.It's all in His hands.
hope good fate for us all

[Nightshade]

yes but I am satisfied and except it doesnt mean love it, bt I guess I see what you mean. But not all the angels have names you know, I mea think about it you go through atleast 4 angels a day mind you if you get all your prayers in in the right times you do techniically 'selim allayhum'
if you see what I mean?

[miss tenderness]

dunno exactly,Night,if some of them do not have names. But I would go with(all of them have names).remmebr the story when Allah,swt,created Adam and told him the angels names and then he asked them "what are your names"they replied"Glory is for u,God,we do not know unless You tell us"so God ordered Adam to tell them their names. It's all in the Quran,maybe surat albaghara,not sure,. consequently, They have names...not sure if some don't though.

selim alykum,do u mean in the tashahud?
Gosh ,I feel like domineering this thread!

[Nightshade]

dominating not domineering, and no Imean when you selm at the end you are selming to your two angels of the hour arent you ?
I thought the tashhud you selm to all the the belivers before and after us ???

which reminds me when excatly are you suposed to move your finger??

[miss tenderness]

lol

yes,tashahud you salim on the believers, and dunno about salim on angels on the last tasleem.

you move ur finger hwen saying(ashhadu an lailaha illaallah wa ashuadu ana mohammmadan rasoolallah,allahoma sali ala Mohammad wa ala alli Mohammad)two places of moving finger

[Nightshade]

only then?
not whenever you say allahoma??
thanks!!

[Dr Eep]

Ahem.....It is amazing; Humans and animals are the same, see.....
1) Just kiss a frog and you'll have a prince!
2) Sheeez. almost all known snakes now have law degrees!
3) Dictators of impoverished 3rd world countries who take every resource unto themselves = pigs!
4) The apes a chattering away in their fickle cages = parliment members.
5) The meekness yet directionless chaos of blind mice = most of the worlds clergy today.

See - we is the same darn thing mama!