Islam and Modern Terrorism - The Divine Solution.

[YALASH]

Peace be on everyone at this forum and all other human as well.
These days, almost on daily basis, somewhere in the world, innocent people are losing their lives in blasts done by planted devices, suicide bombers or by any other way. Unfortunately, most of such life-takers label themselves as Muslims.


A German who remained with terrorists, said that when he reminded the fighters that most chapters of the Koran began with the words "Allah... most merciful".
"I asked: Where is the mercy? I never got the real answer."
Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30585783

So where these people who even does not their creed, come from? where they get funds from? what is their ultimate motive?......Answers to these questions may have surprising dimensions.


Islam begins with the idea of universal God, as Holy Quran says:
[ch1:v2] All praise for Allah the Lord of all people (all worlds).

Quran calls about Prophet of Islam, he was for all people.
[7:159] Say, ‘O mankind! truly I am a Messenger to you all from Allah to Whom belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. There is no God but He. He gives life, and He causes death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Prophet, the Immaculate one, who believes in Allah and His words; and follow him that you may be rightly guided.’


Thus a true Muslim cannot harm others.


Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) foretold that faith would become very weak in latter days. Quran and he mentioned various signs of latter days; advancement of knowledge, human right awareness, moral decay, heavenly signs etc.


Holy Quran
[ch62:v3] He it is Who has raised among the Unlettered people a Messenger from among themselves who recites unto them His verses, and purifies them, and teaches them the Book and wisdom, although they had been, before, in manifest misguidance;

[ch62:v4]And among others from among them, who have not yet joined them. He is the Mighty, the Wise.

About the above verse,
The Companion Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) said:
One day we were sitting with Holy Prophet when Surah Jumua (chapter 62) was revealed. I enquired from the Holy Prophet, Who are the people to whom the words, "And among others who have not yet joined them" Salman, the Persian was sitting among us. Upon my repeated asking him the same question the Holy Prophet put his hand on Salman and said;If faith were to go up to the Pleiades, a man from these would surely find it.
[Ref: Book of Hadith, Bukhari]


While one Islam is on decline, there is another Islam which is on the rise, as per above prophesies.
http://www.religiousforums.com/threa.../#post-4683704


This revival of Islam asks its followers to respect life of all other human, to talk to everyone to bring them closer to God, to worship God such that their worship translate into peace for all humanity, to pray for all humanity, and not use force for faith. This era demands discussion and use of pen and prayers.

[YesNo]

I agree with you that a true Muslim should not harm others, but there must be something in the Koran that is motivating those who commit violence. I'm not familiar enough with the Koran to be able to say much about it.

You could address Christianity in the same way. A true Christian should not be antisemitic and yet their Gospels blame Jews rather than Pilate for the death of Jesus.

[YALASH]

I agree with you that a true Muslim should not harm others, but there must be something in the Koran that is motivating those who commit violence. I'm not familiar enough with the Koran to be able to say much about it.

Peace be on you.
These are terrorist, so they have to do what they have to, they are like the wolf at down end of canal who (when could not find excuse to eat the lamb) found excuse to eat the innocent lamb that why it is drinking before wolf do.

Quran talks about Jihad - the struggle.....At early time, since early Muslims were attacked by sword as soon as they began to impart message. Thus after 13 years of suffering, they were allowed to defend themselves .
True meanings can be found at:
https://www.alislam.org/jihad/

There are people / clergies who interpret to conquer the world by power, obviously it is wrong for religion which claim to be for all world.

You could address Christianity in the same way. A true Christian should not be antisemitic and yet their Gospels blame Jews rather than Pilate for the death of Jesus.

Pilate did his best to save Jesus, chose timings so that he could be removed from cross.
www.alislam.org/topics/jesus/

[fajfall]

The Qur'an states Allah is 'Most Merciful' then details Allah's cruel, completely unnecessary torture of unbelievers in the afterlife for the simple thought 'crime' of not believing that's merciful at all. The Mujahideen in Syria merely cut your head off for a few minutes but Allah burns you alive for eternity, thereby making Muslim terrorists still more merciful than 'Allah'.

[tonywalt]

You have to be a certain type of person to be religious: Lacking curiosity versus cautious and liking routine); conscientiousness (which is defined as being organized, having self-discipline and a sense of duty). Naturally the religious here will resist this, but it is, mostly, what it is.

I notice the many in the religious section of Litnet are, to the best of my knowledge, rarely in the artistic (free thinking!-wow, what a concept) section or even in the literature section. Instead they are here, chewing over texts written by who? - well, who cares. Such a waste of energy, time, and possibilities.

[YesNo]

Pilate did his best to save Jesus, chose timings so that he could be removed from cross.
www.alislam.org/topics/jesus/

I couldn't get to the link. I have heard that Muslims do not think Jesus was actually crucified: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islami...Jesus%27_death

My view of Pilate is different. It looks to me as if he was intent on mocking the Jews he ruled. Jesus came into Jerusalem. Pilate took advantage of this knowing the Jewish religious holidays were coming and staged an event to make it look as if the Jewish leaders requested that Jesus be crucified.

One example of Pilate's mocking comes from the Christian text Luke 13:1: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...1&version=NKJV

There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.

As I read that, it appears that Pilate was mocking the blood sacrifices of some Galileans by ordering them killed sacrificially as well.

[YALASH]

The Qur'an states Allah is 'Most Merciful' then details Allah's cruel, completely unnecessary torture of unbelievers in the afterlife for the simple thought 'crime' of not believing that's merciful at all. The Mujahideen in Syria merely cut your head off for a few minutes but Allah burns you alive for eternity, thereby making Muslim terrorists still more merciful than 'Allah'.

Peace be on you friend:
1=Please note, Hell is a corrective place / hospital:
Quran:
[ch101:v9] But as for him whose scales are light,
[ch101:v10] Hell will be his nursing mother.

Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) said:
A time will come when no one will be left in Hell; winds will blow and the windows and doors of Hell will make a rattling noise on account of the blowing winds." [Tafsir-ul-Maalam-ul-Tanzil under verse Hud:107]

So as a person comes out of womb when it is completed, those who have spiritual deficiencies, after proper treatment will be out.

2=Those who are cutting heads of innocents have nothing to do with religion, God and basic humanity. Mere name is nothing.

[Ahmadiyya-Muslim understandings]

[YALASH]

I couldn't get to the link..............

Could you please try this one, http://www.alislam.org/library/artic...oss-Slides.pdf

[YALASH]

You have to be a certain type of person to be religious: Lacking curiosity versus cautious and liking routine); conscientiousness (which is defined as being organized, having self-discipline and a sense of duty). Naturally the religious here will resist this, but it is, mostly, what it is.

Peace be on you.
Maybe you saw some religious people with lack of attributes you mentioned, but humbly I assure you, i try not to be among those. Our first prayer (Fajr Salaat demand we wake up well before sunrise).
Curiosity: Try to see what is behind some acts of people and how things work etc.
Self discipline: Avoiding self-praise, but just as example, please see, in these posts, I missed symbols " [/quote] " in a post, it was not a big issue, but next day, fixed it so that the person I was communicating to, may not feel hurt.......

May God help me improve.

I notice the many in the religious section of Litnet are, to the best of my knowledge, rarely in the artistic (free thinking!-wow, what a concept) section or even in the literature section. Instead they are here, chewing over texts written by who? - well, who cares. Such a waste of energy, time, and possibilities.

If art is clean and useful one should have indulgence in it.

[YesNo]

Could you please try this one, http://www.alislam.org/library/artic...oss-Slides.pdf

That is a very detailed account of how Jesus might have escaped crucifixion with his ultimate burial in Kashimir. I can see the motivation for not wanting Jesus to die crucified since it would imply he was defeated and therefore not a prophet by some people's expectations. However, given the resurrection, the Christian position is more powerful if he actually died on the cross.

To test the theory that he didn't actually die on the cross, What do you make of the reported events where he appeared after the resurrection out of nowhere to people in a room to show one of his disciples his wounds or vanished while eating a meal? This appearing and vanishing is not the way people normally enter and exit a place.

The view of Pilate is also too tame. Here is a another view of Pilate where he is portrayed as not concerned with saving Jesus: http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...ontius-pilate/

I don't completely agree with that view either, but it comes closer to what I think is true. I see Pilate as sadistic and perhaps self-righteously intent on humiliating a people he considered barbarian compared with his advanced, modern, civilized Roman culture.

Both your view and the one I cited assume that Jewish leaders handed Jesus over to be crucified. That doesn't ring true to me. Crucifixions were meant to terrorize the population. I would need to see evidence that Jewish leaders handed other people over to be crucified. I think they could find easier ways to kill someone.

Jesus stood out because he was popular. When Jesus entered Jerusalem he attracted crowds. Pilate noticed this. He knew about the coming Jewish holidays. He intended to humiliate all of those barbarous, uncivilized Jewish people by crucifying Jesus, a popular religious figure, on their religious holiday. In addition he would make it look as if the Jewish leaders requested this to alienate those leaders from other Jews who followed Jesus. This would cause internal conflict. That internal conflict led to antisemitism.

[fajfall]

@yaslah: no the qur'an is unequivocal that unbelievers will be hell forever. A made-up Hadith of a heretical sect won't change the Qur'an.

Ahmadiyya are heretics and therefore rejecting them (peacefully or by killing them, both are acceptable Islamic interpretations depending on whom you ask) is acceptable of pious Muslims. The founder of the Ahmadiyya sect died on the toilet, a divine sign to other Muslims that he was a false teacher. If all Muslims would be Ahmadiyyas and Ismailis the world would be a better place but 1.5 billion Muslims rightly view them as heretics because their teachings contradict the Qur'an, the Sunnah, and History.

[YALASH]

@yaslah: no the qur'an is unequivocal that unbelievers will be hell forever. A made-up Hadith of a heretical sect won't change the Qur'an.

Peace be on you.
1=Friend, may I humbly direct your attention to post # 7 above.
In post # 7, the basic proof is given from Holy Quran that hell is temporary.

Quote form post # 7
Please note, Hell is a corrective place / hospital:
Quran:
[ch101:v9] But as for him whose scales are light,
[ch101:v10] Hell will be his nursing mother.

The transliteration of verse [101:10] is:
"fa-ummohu havia"
i.e thus hell will be his (nursing) mother.

Hadith was supportive.


2=May I point out that just like this above missing a major argument, your subsequent notes are not correct.

Ahmadiyya are heretics

All reformation-movements are called so. You can see Holinesses Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. All kind of things were said for them and their early communities. Latter times show, they were the rights, others were wrong.

and therefore rejecting them (peacefully or by killing them, both are acceptable Islamic interpretations depending on whom you ask) is acceptable of pious Muslims.

One of the misunderstandings, which found the ways in Islam was killing those who are not liked.
It is true that some orthodox-clergy-driven Muslims kill them, but does Islam say so? No.
True Islam does not teach to kill anyone whom you do not agree.
Wrong acts of certain people is not a licence to kill.

The founder of the Ahmadiyya sect died on the toilet, a divine sign to other Muslims that he was a false teacher.

Sorry, you said so. No such thing happened.

A gentleman writer Mr. Iain Adamson mentions details of his passing away in his book [Ahmad the guided one]
http://www.alislam.org/library/books.../?page=329#top

Please think by using common sense, were the opponents allowed to be inside a house when a person was ill and passing away.

On the contrary, in Quran, God told and fixed a rule of thumb:
God told about Holy Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) :
[69:44] It is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
[69:45] And if he had forged and attributed any sayings to Us,
[69:46] We would surely have seized him by the right hand,
[69:47] And then surely We would have severed his life-artery,
[69:48] And not one of you could have held Us off from him.
[69:49] And verily it is a reminder for the righteous.


Ahmadiyya Promised Reformer, received, published and continued to mention revelations from God
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadhkirah_(Ahmadiyya)

God did not finished him as promised in above verses, it shows the holy man and his claim was right. At the time of his death in 1908, he had about 300,000 followers in India, now they are in millions worldwide under his Khilafat, they officially present in 209 countries. They are trying to talk and do peace. His Khilafat is struggling to bring peace in the world:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5fyRMDMrNU

While the other so called Khilafat is busy chopping heads of innocent Muslims and non-Muslims.

I humbly request to your inner noble heart to see where the truth stands!

If all Muslims would be Ahmadiyyas and Ismailis the world would be a better place but 1.5 billion Muslims rightly view them as heretics because their teachings contradict the Qur'an, the Sunnah, and History.

Thank you. You decided by yourself.
I assure you, Quran, Sunnah and History stands with the Promised reformers.
You are most welcome to check at www.alislam.org and www.mta.tv [official sites] and see anything against true religion, Islam, inter-faith harmony, humanity, humanitarian services and values and right arguments.

Very good wishes.

[YesNo]

I would not think worse of someone if they died on a toilet or died on a cross or died in a crowded area where a suicide bomber killed himself. I would not look at these deaths as a sign from God that they are not to be trusted.

However, if someone blows himself up in a crowded market place, that person has almost immediately negated any philosophical or religious position they might have professed while alive. By their actions, they have witnessed to the falsity of their beliefs.

I think this is what YALASH is trying to work around. Muslim terrorists are proving by their actions that the Muslim religion is a false religion. He is offering an alternative.

[fajfall]

Qur'an states hell is eternal for non-Muslims, without a doubt:

33:64 Lo! Allah hath cursed the disbelievers, and hath prepared for them a flaming fire, Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever.
The Fire
33:65 Wherein they will abide for ever. They will find (then) no protecting friend nor helper.

I don't see how exploding yourself in a marketplace is any worse than attacking villages, towns and cities with swords, which historically kills far more civilians. It's mind boggling that people deny terrorists are pious Muslims when the terrorists themselves are doing it for Islam just as Muslims have always historically done.

[desiresjab]

All religions are false, they are made up. The moslems do not have a lock on terrorism or stupidity, though they are the world leaders right now. Moslem enlightenment is about equal to the pilgrims at Plymouth Rock. They are far behind and proud of it. The only thing they can offer the world right now that it needs is oil. Too many people holding onto and taking ancient hogwash deadly seriously and making up their own out of it remains a major problem for the world, not just the moslem world.

I am ashamed when my own family starts their christian hogwash. Why would I feel differently about a stranger spouting moslem offal? Ancient goat herders high on unrefrigerated cheese did not have any secrets to reveal. Driveling followers have been testing their ancient garbage for thousands of years. It doesn't work, otherwise someone would have had a prayer answered by now.

And God said: Do this thing daily, morning, noon and night, from which you will never see any results. Keep doing it, like a rat running the wrong ramp until you drop.

All these little gods--Allah and Jehovah et al, they are really so local it is pathetic. They originate from goat villages. Ha! Ha! Why, they are no better than a Roman household god like Lars, puny little monkey gods of monkey men.

Everyone drop your holy books and get some real work done. Read something worthwhile instead of pouring over foolish texts full of physical and social nonsense. You could draw notions out of a hat at random and come up with a religion superior to earthly examples.

If the Koran is that peaceful, it means the moslems cannot be trusted with their own texts. Those texts are too dangerous because they drive moslems mad, like a bad drug.

What the world needs and is going to give is some good, old fashioned moslem mangling. We will shut our doors to them, as we should, and maul the terrorism out of them abroad.