He didn't have to do anything. Why are you making that argument?Originally Posted by Delta40
He didn't have to do anything. Why are you making that argument?
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
You said he had to so he wouldn't look like a tyrant.
Before sunlight can shine through a window, the blinds must be raised - American Proverb
Yeah, so as not to be a tyrant, but he didn't have to choose to give us a choice in the matter. He could have just not even bothered if he really wanted to.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Yes. And you will kindly tell us what Jesus doesn't say. Right? ROFLMAO
Lol. He told you that did he?
Before sunlight can shine through a window, the blinds must be raised - American Proverb
I don't have a book to read between the lines, pretend what is there, what isn't there and excuse the inexcusable by saying the real meaning was lost in translation!
Before sunlight can shine through a window, the blinds must be raised - American Proverb
Nah. He never turns up....the least we can do is invite Him to the party.
How do you know that? The universe might be eternal, many physicists think this might be the case, but they are waiting for the evidence.
So Jesus believes the Genesis account that man & woman sprang into instance through God's magical powers? I thought Roman Catholics accepted evolution?
Here Jesus actually outdoes the Old Testament God in daft science & stupid social practice! One flesh? Genetic analysis has shown that the flesh of men & women retain the same DNA footprint before and after marriage. How on Earth do they become one flesh? I know of several marriages that have become broken beyond repair, divorce is often the best & only solution.5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command us to give a certificate of dismissal and to divorce her?” 8 He said to them, “It was because you were so hard-hearted that Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another commits adultery.”
What other logical answer is there?
Some things are last in translation, believe it or not.
I'm going by Christian belief. I don't know it. I believe it.
We could have been. The Genesis story tells us that God first made the earth and the heavens, then there was light and darkness, land and water, the sun and the moon and the stars, then there was fish and other wildlife in the seas and birds, then there was land animals, and finally man and woman. How do we know what "days" really meant here? It could have been millions of years.
About the issue of "one flesh," this website does a pretty good job, I think, explaining the phrase. http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVa...010/07-15.html
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
I hope you're a better scientist than you are a person; actually choosing your words to offend serves nothing.
"And therefore as a stranger give it welcome."
Faulkner wrote As I Lay Dying. Many of the people on this thread like to write As I Lay Farting, and with each fart they get riper.
give it welcome what?
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
Oh dear, have you really descended to personal insults, have you run out of arguments? I didn't choose my words to offend, just expressed things as I saw them. If you choose to be offended at a robust argument against the pontifications of a fictional character, then that's up to you. Why so touchy? If you said that David Copperfield, one of my favourite fictional characters was daft, I'd think you were wrong, but I wouldn't be offended. You Christians get so touchy when JC isn't treated as the fount of all wisdom; what next after personal insults, burning heretics?
Really - you feel that, "Here Jesus actually outdoes the Old Testament God in daft science & stupid social practice," is an argument? This adds nothing to the initial question - "...does religion/God give people a voice..." and really only tends to call your own maturity into question.
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