Sorry I missed your question. Read Galatians 3:1-26. There is your answer.Originally Posted by Volya
Sorry I missed your question. Read Galatians 3:1-26. There is your answer.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Trick question, it is never okay to go around killing people because of their sexuality.
Plus I read that passage and it makes no sense to me, could you explain it in simpler terms for me?
You're relying on the OT again! That's so funny....
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Forgive me if I'm wrong Delta, but Galatians is in the New Testament?
Oh yeah! Sorry it's Monday morning here in Oz... Well I'm off to work now to deal with the tax paying public so I'll leave it all in your good hands Volya.
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Heresy, under the Corpus Iuris Canonici's definition pertains solely to doctrine which has been read into Canon as "Divinely inspired." Denouncing doctrine such as anti-abortion codes isn't heresy, and, in fact, such anti-doctrinal exclusions are each specifically addressed within the Corpus (e.g. the foregoing: c: 1398: fticide carries with it the incurrence of latę sententię until Absolution is granted - and in most places, the "local Priest" already has the Grant of Faculty to absolve in this case - the determination of Faculty being conferred by the Diocese).
A Roman Catholic who denounces the Virgin Mary as the Mother of Jesus commits heresy; people whose sexual preference is homosexual rather than heterosexual are certainly not heretics under Canon Law (and, in fact I don't believe that the Corpus even addresses this¹, although Gratian, in the Concordantia did so).
¹I could certainly be wrong here; I don't consider myself a Canonist, and if anyone has evidence that this is addressed in the C.I.C. please give the citation on your correction.
Abortion is mentioned in Canon Law: http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/abortio2.htm
Catholic stance on homosexuality according to persona humana:
VIII
At the present time there are those who, basing themselves on observations in the psychological order, have begun to judge indulgently, and even to excuse completely, homosexual relations between certain people. This they do in opposition to the constant teaching of the Magisterium and to the moral sense of the Christian people.
A distinction is drawn, and it seems with some reason, between homosexuals whose tendency comes from a false education, from a lack of normal sexual development, from habit, from bad example, or from other similar causes, and is transitory or at least not incurable; and homosexuals who are definitively such because of some kind of innate instinct or a pathological constitution judged to be incurable.
In regard to this second category of subjects, some people conclude that their tendency is so natural that it justifies in their case homosexual relations within a sincere communion of life and love analogous to marriage, in so far as such homosexuals feel incapable of enduring a solitary life.
In the pastoral field, these homosexuals must certainly be treated with understanding and sustained in the hope of overcoming their personal difficulties and their inability to fit into society. Their culpability will be judged with prudence. But no pastoral method can be employed which would give moral justification to these acts on the grounds that they would be consonant with the condition of such people. For according to the objective moral order, homosexual relations are acts which lack an essential and indispensable finality. In Sacred Scripture they are condemned as a serious depravity and even presented as the sad consequence of rejecting God.[18] This judgment of Scripture does not of course permit us to conclude that all those who suffer from this anomaly are personally responsible for it, but it does attest to the fact that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered and can in no case be approved of.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
The Catholic stance on homosexuality is so mind-numbingly idiotic and homophobic it makes me want to tear out my own eyeballs.
They think it is some kind of disease that should be 'cured'?
'Their inability to fit into society' - What does this even mean. The only reason some homosexuals struggle to fit into society is because of moronic homophobes (many of whom follow the spiteful teachings of the RCC). I have several gay and lesbian friends and they fit in perfectly fine I'll have you know.
If you honestly believe something as stupid and hateful as what the Catholic Church is preaching then I think you are missing the (second) most important Commandment in the Bible: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Interesting post Eman, but can I make a request that you stick to English? To save others Googling Latin phrases¹:
Corpus Juris Canonici - 'Body of Canon Law'
Latae sententiae - excommunication
¹I could certainly be wrong here; I'm not a Latin scholar or Canonist, and if anyone has better translations please correct mine.
Atheist stance on Roman Catholics according to me:
VIII
At the present time there are those who, basing themselves on observations in the psychological order, have begun to judge indulgently, and even to excuse completely, Roman Catholic relations between certain people. This they do in opposition to the constant teaching of Dawkins and to the moral sense of the Atheist people.
A distinction is drawn, and it seems with some reason, between Roman Catholics whose tendency comes from a false education, from a lack of normal development, from habit, from bad example, or from other similar causes, and is transitory or at least not incurable; and Roman Catholics who are definitively such because of some kind of innate instinct or a pathological constitution judged to be incurable.
In regard to this second category of subjects, some people conclude that their tendency is so natural that it justifies in their case Roman Catholic relations within a sincere communion of life, in so far as such Roman Catholics feel incapable of enduring a solitary life.
In the pastoral field, these Roman Catholics must certainly be treated with understanding and sustained in the hope of overcoming their personal difficulties and their inability to fit into society. Their culpability will be judged with prudence. But no pastoral method can be employed which would give moral justification to these acts on the grounds that they would be consonant with the condition of such people. For according to the current moral order, Roman Catholic relations are acts which lack an essential and indispensable sanity. In Sacred Scripture (the works of Dawkins) they are condemned as a serious depravity and even presented as the sad consequence of rejecting reason. This judgment of Scripture does not of course permit us to conclude that all those who suffer from this anomaly are personally responsible for it, but it does attest to the fact that Roman Catholic acts are intrinsically disordered and can in no case be approved of.
lol. Especially in regard to the spread of AIDS and other STD's (not to mention the false spread of Catholic AIDS deniers) through the non use of condoms. Catholics will have sex before marriage and still engage in extra marital affairs no matter how much they deny the truth of it all. Not facing up to the realities of what is happening and implementing safe guards is having a detrimental effect on the health of the world.
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Corpus Juris Canonici is actually the proper title, and you're correct about Latę Sententię being one of the two recognised forms of excommunication. Here, "Latę Sententię" is understood to mean that, at the moment of the transgression, "the sentence is passed" ipso facto (by the fact [of the transgression] itself).
My apologies, and thanks for bringing this up. I'm accustomed to writing on another forum where a substantive understanding of Greek, Latin and Hebrew is presupposed. Hereafter, where titles or phrases generally accepted as being in legal or religious commerce aren't self-evident, I'll add the English translation parenthetically.
That said, I suppose that someone should have made the comparison between Consubstantiation and Transubstantiation so we're all on the same argumentative page so to speak, but the former has been so closely aligned with Martin Luther's Unio Sacramentalis (the "Sacramental Union" which Luther called "sakramentalische Vereinigung" in describing the presence of the Body of Christ in the [physical] Eucharist), and is so open to misinterpretation (compare above the Latin "substantia" meaning "essence" and "materia" meaning "physicality") that it would / will doubtless further muddy the waters which we're all guilty of stirring now and then.
I'm sorry that you want to rip out your eyeballs, but that is the RC stance on homosexuality. And that commandment Christ gave us doesn't mean what you think it means. By loving people, we don't gloss over their sins and enable them. Christ didn't do that, but instead he admonished them and told them to sin no more.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
So you think homosexuality is a sin?
Religion fulfills many purposes, and can be used as a tool for positivity or a weapon of negativity. Can it provide a person a voice? Of course, it can be used to achieve many ends. Whether or not that person who now has this voice has really discovered their true self, or have simply found their identity in an abundance of pre-existing religious texts I guess can be taken on a case by case basis. Me, I prefer to create my own content. I try to relate to the prehistoric man, who witnessed the many shocking marvels of the world outside of a prescribed context and with no voice to relate his findings. He didn't know the name of everything, but simply experienced it in purity and wonder. Need everything be said or written down to make it true/important?
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