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    Originally posted by stlukesguild
    Undoubtedly there are multiple forces at play with regard to our reluctance to discuss sexuality. There are the outside pressures or strictures established by religious institutions and conservative moralists. These are often based upon their own hang-ups... fears... and thoughts that sex is somehow "filthy", "ugly", or "shameful".
    Sex as expression of love is beautiful. There is nothing shameful or ugly about it. Talking about sex, however, is an attempt to fill the inner emptiness and lack of deep and intimate relationship. People who do have fulfilled relationship don’t have any need to talk about but enjoy do it. It is as simple as that.

    BTW, you have quoted a few artists about nudity, and of course, you have posted a few paintings. You can’t give yourself a break but you endlessly bring that subject. There are much more than nudity in art. Very boring indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ftil View Post
    Sex as expression of love is beautiful. There is nothing shameful or ugly about it. Talking about sex, however, is an attempt to fill the inner emptiness and lack of deep and intimate relationship. People who do have fulfilled relationship don’t have any need to talk about but enjoy do it. It is as simple as that.
    Not necessarily so. Do you not talk about a meal that you have enjoy, a movie, book or piece of music that has affected you? Do you not talk about your hobbies?
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    Also, people naturally have insecurities and questions about sex, particularly young people, and speaking frankly about the subject helps to work through those insecurities. Especially for gay kids who are painfully ignorant about expectations and options that are available to them, because the media and schools will not communicate what needs to be and the parents are often not equipped to do so. Talking about sex is vital for a healthy society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheherazade View Post
    Not necessarily so. Do you not talk about a meal that you have enjoy, a movie, book or piece of music that has affected you? Do you not talk about your hobbies?
    Sex as a hobby? Don’t you think that it is a big difference between talking about book or music and sex? I hear you that you also enjoy talking about sex. You are free to do so as I am free to say that people who have inner emptiness and lack of deep and intimate relationships have the burning urge to fill it with empty talk about sex or pornography. I am not the only one who share that opinion.

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    For God's sake, people. Sex is the only means to procreation. Even if people refused to do it without that in mind, and some, very few do, God's force would prescribe it and cause it.
    By the way, there is more f*****g by people going to churches than anywhere else. LOL
    That's why a sex education is absolutely necessary. Case closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ftil View Post
    I am not the only one who share that opinion.
    Oh, do tell! We are always looking for some enlightenment

    Now you got me thinking on what might possibly put people off talking about sex. To begin with, people who do not get to have sex would also be unwilling to talk about it, I guess... As there wouldn't be much to talk about.

    Also, not having had a date since Moon Landing or Reagan Presidency might deter people
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    Well... if that's the problem, we can always turn to literature. Lord John Wilmot, Earl of Rochester perhaps.

    http://allpoetry.com/poem/8515139-Si...rd_John_Wilmot
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafolini View Post
    For God's sake, people. Sex is the only means to procreation. Even if people refused to do it without that in mind, and some, very few do, God's force would prescribe it and cause it.
    By the way, there is more f*****g by people going to churches than anywhere else. LOL
    That's why a sex education is absolutely necessary. Case closed.
    I thought that it is a forum for adults not elementary school. Unfortunately, I can’t find an interesting video about sex education at schools, its consequences, and protest of parents. Real eyes opening.

    Do you want to change a topic to sexual abuse in religion? Catholic Church in not alone.


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    Also, people naturally have insecurities and questions about sex, particularly young people, and speaking frankly about the subject helps to work through those insecurities. Especially for gay kids who are painfully ignorant about expectations and options that are available to them, because the media and schools will not communicate what needs to be and the parents are often not equipped to do so. Talking about sex is vital for a healthy society.

    I quite agree. A great many of the students I teach in the inner city are sexually active... and far too knowledgeable about certain aspects of sex... but most of this "knowledge" comes from the wrong sources: their peers, pornography, the media, pop icons, the internet, etc... Under the proper circumstances these students will open up an ask a great many questions that reveal just how naive they are in some aspects... and how desperate they are for information... and even guidance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stlukesguild View Post
    Under the proper circumstances these students will open up an ask a great many questions that reveal just how naive they are in some aspects... and how desperate they are for information... and even guidance.
    Well, now you can tell them that talking about sex is "...an attempt to fill the inner emptiness and lack of deep and intimate relationship." That'll shut them up.

    Or you can let our kids watch one youtube video after another. After all, what better education can we hope to offer them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheherazade View Post
    Well, now you can tell them that talking about sex is "...an attempt to fill the inner emptiness and lack of deep and intimate relationship." That'll shut them up.

    Well, I have simplified the subject that has deeper roots. But since you have asked for some enlightenment, I may start with a short introduction to Alfred Kinsey and Wilhelm Reich . If you inspire me…..I may bring more.


    It comes as a big shock to learn that two of the fathers of the Sexual Revolution were both sexual perverts with an evangelical mission in life: to infect society with their wacky ideas and turn the world into a vast masturbatorium.

    I refer to the 2oth century’s premier sex researcher Alfred Kinsey (1894-1956) and his notorious contemporary, cult psychoanalyst Wilhelm Reich (1897-1957).

    Steeped in the dangerous claptrap of the fraudulent Freud—see here and here—both Kinsey and Reich enthusiastically embraced the laissez-faire Freudian philosophy: “I advocate an incomparably freer sexual life”. Like their Viennese mentor, they would have been only too pleased to add, “If only Americans knew—we are bringing them the plague!”

    The underlying assumption here is that sex is the great liberator and that all political and economic frustrations can be alleviated by sexual activity—particularly by obsessive and addictive sex. People who spend all their waking hours in search of sexual stimulation are obviously unfit to organize pogroms, mount bloody revolutions, or become a threat to the rich and powerful.


    This, in a nutshell, was the philosophy of Wilhelm Reich, high priest of the “masturbation industry”, to borrow a phrase from E. Michael Jones’s magisterial work Libido Dominandi, where Kinsey and Reich are both discussed in great detail.

    Sex, according to the philosophers of the Sexual Revolution inspired by Reich, is to be the panacea for all society’s problems: the new opium of the people. If people cannot have bread, let them eat cake. If they cannot have jobs, security, fulfillment, and a valid purpose in life, let them have sex as a substitute. If nothing else, recreational sex will provide a useful distraction and give people something to do.

    Reich was, by his own account, not only a compulsive masturbator from early childhood but a self-confessed pervert with wide-ranging sexual interests. Beginning sexual activity at the early age of four with a maidservant whose pubic hair he was allowed to play with, he went on to seduce the family cook at eleven-and-a-half. While still a small boy, he had begun to take an unhealthy interest in farm animals and could be seen prowling around the stables where he “stimulated mares by inserting whip handles in their vaginas.” At 15 he began visiting brothels where his insatiable appetites made him the talk of the town. Here he is in his Autobiography describing his uncontrollable libido:

    Was it the atmosphere, the clothing, the red lights, the provocative nakedness, the smell of whores—I don’t know! I was pure sensual lust. I ceased to be. I was all penis! I bit, scratched, thrust, and the girl had quite a time with me! I thought I would have to crawl inside her…

    Nursing an incestuous passion for his mother, he would snoop on her having sex with the family tutor. “I need a woman,” he wrote in his journal, “who isboth mother and whore.” Once he was tempted to break into his mother’s room, while she was engaged in sex with his tutor, and demand to be part of a threesome:

    I heard them kissing, whispering, and the horrible creaking of the bed in which my mother lay. Ten feet away stood her own child, a witness to her disgrace…. All I remember of that catastrophic night is that I wanted to rush into the room, but was held back by the thought: they might kill you!… I crept back to bed, without hope of consolation, my youthful spirit broken! For the first time, a deep feeling of misfortune and of having been abandoned overcame me…. [I even thought of] breaking in on them and demanding that she have intercourse with me too (shame!), threatening that otherwise I would tell Father.

    As it turns out, he did inform his father about his mother’s infidelities, conveniently omitting to mention his own incestuous desires for his mother. His disloyalty to her in becoming an informer, combined with the brutal ill-treatment she was to receive from her tyrannical husband Leon, finally drove his mother to suicide. She swallowed a pint of Lysol, a common domestic cleaning fluid, and died in agony. Another account fills in the bizarre background details to this family saga: “She swallowed one poison after another, while Leoncontinued to beat her as she died” (emphasis added).
    Wilhelm Reich, her son, the famous psychoanalyst-to-be, was only 13 at the time.

    This is the man who went on to become, like his equally perverted contemporary Alfred Kinsey, one of the godfathers of the Sexual Revolution of the 1960s.

    From the likes of Kinsey and Reich, the easily duped Americans were to receive instructions on how to conduct themselves sexually.

    As part of the neo-Freudian school of psychoanlysts, Reich received the enthusiastic support of a number of psychiatrists and writers, many of them part of the Jewish psychoanalytic sub-culture that was so important to erecting a powerful critique of Western culture, reaching its peak influence in the post-WWII era: Herbert Marcuse, Erich Fromm, Adorno, Horkheimer, Alexander Lowen, Stanley Keleman, Moshe Feldenkreis, Ida Rolf, Paul Goodman, Norman Mailer, Allen Ginsberg, Saul Bellow, Fritz Perls and Arthur Janov (see here and here).

    The Case against Kinsey

    It comes as no surprise to learn that Kinsey, like Reich, was also an avid consumer of pornography, even going so far as to photograph his own penison several occasions and getting his wife to act in home-made porn movies. His favorite boast was that his Institute’s collection of pornography was the second largest in the world, the largest being housed at the Vatican. A malicious lie, it turned out, since it was easy enough to prove that the Vatican was entirely porn free. (See “The Case Against Kinsey”, here)

    It has to be emphasized that Alfred Kinsey, though born and brought up as a Christian, was not only an atheist with a lifelong hatred of Christianity in general and the Catholic church in particular, but was also a Zionist and Shabbat goy who owed his spectacular success entirely to organized Jewry. His fraudulent research, designed to make deviancy appear to be the norm, was generously funded by the Rockefeller Foundation and other Jewish-dominated organizations. (pp. 340–341). “By the time it cut him off in 1954,” E. Michael Jones tells us, “the Rockefeller Foundation had poured hundreds of thousands of dollars into the coffers of the Kinsey Institute.”

    The only reason they decided to stop the funding is that by this time the Institute, anxious to retain its squeaky clean image, could no longer take the risk of being associated with Kinsey. His shady criminal activities with a predatory homosexual pedophile, a pervert who had molested and tortured 800 children, suddenly made Kinsey persona non grata (see E. Michael Jones, Libido Dominandi, pp. 327–337).

    A sexual pervert of the kinkiest kind, Kinsey once inserted a toothbrush into his urethra and had himself filmed, subsequently adding this gem to his porn collection. Himself a homosexual with an avid interest in little boys, he would make a point of measuring the penis, both recumbent and erect, of every male he interviewed while conducting his “research”. Why? One can only guess.

    Dr. Judith Reisman writes:

    An early adherent and advocate of masturbation, Kinsey suffered an untimely death due, at least in part, to ‘orchitis,’ a lethal infection in his testicles that followed years of orgiastic self-abuse.

    The New York Times, owned by the Sulzberger family and known to be America’s foremost organ of left/liberal propaganda, did its best (like the Rockefeller Foundation) to promote Kinsey and turn his name into a household word. Indeed, it comes as no surprise to learn that Arthur Hays Sulzberger, publisher of the New York Times, was actually on the board of trustees for the Rockefeller Foundation all during the time it was approving money for Kinsey’s dubious experiments (see here, p. 340).

    Kinsey’s most vocal critic and nemesis, Dr. Judith Reisman, has this to say about the Kinsey-Rockefeller connection:

    The Rockefeller Foundation was the major funding source for Kinsey, even though it had ample, repeated warning from noted statisticians and social scientists that Kinsey’s pseudo-science was a hoax….

    Kinsey is second only to Darwin in the secular pantheon, and a lot of people recognize that exposing Kinsey’s lies is a major assault on the Sexual Revolution and a threat to the sexual license they enjoy….

    Kinsey claimed to have proven, based upon the deviant samples used in his research, that 95 percent of American men engaged in deviant sex and thus were sex offenders….

    Kinsey believed that all sex was legitimate—pedophilia, bestiality, incest, adultery, prostitution, group sex, transvestitism, sadomasochism—and he worked to overthrow all laws prohibiting any of these perversions. (See here)

    Kinsey went out of his way to interview the dregs of society, frequenting slums, gay bars, brothels and prisons. From these interviews he formed sweeping generalizations about the sexual habits of society in general. His methodology, you could say, was outrageous.
    Dr E. Michael Jones is as convinced as Dr Judith Reisman that Kinsey was far more than just an impudent fraud, he was in fact a criminal: a blackmailer (p. 330 ff), a perverted pornographer, and a pedophile who masturbated little children as part of his so-called “research”.

    One four-year-old was “specifically manipulated” for twenty-four hours around the clock. This child achieved twenty-six orgasms in this time period. Another eleven-month-old infant had fourteen “orgasms”, according to the Kinseyan definition, in a period of thirty-eight minutes, or one orgasm every 2.7 minutes. (E. Michael Jones, Degenerate Moderns, p. 106)


    To read article:
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...xual-deviancy/

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    Delusional claptrap soaked in moralizing bull**** and antisemitism, it certainly helps illustrate the kind of insidious mindset behind your own ideas, but would do little to convince anyone with any sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanPip View Post
    Delusional claptrap soaked in moralizing bull**** and antisemitism, it certainly helps illustrate the kind of insidious mindset behind your own ideas, but would do little to convince anyone with any sense.


    Is it your only response to the lives and “research” of Alfred Kinsey and Wilhelm Reich?

    Try to think harder and argue your point……. Try to defend Freud too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ftil View Post
    Is it your only response to the lives and “research” of Alfred Kinsey and Wilhelm Reich?

    Try to think harder and argue your point……. Try to defend Freud too.
    I have no need to defend people 60 years dead who have no relevance to contemporary understandings about sex. Particularly when the substance of the criticism is ad hominem nonsense steeped in antisemitism.
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    That excerpt comes from a website whose tag line is: "White Identity, Interests, and Culture"

    A reliable, unbiased source, if you ask me.
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