And you a mod.Originally Posted by Scheherazade
And you a mod.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world. -- Mahatma Gandhi
I know, I know... It is just that education is a topic I am very passionate about and Ken Robinson is da man!And you a mod.
Going back to the topic... Maybe if we were to change our education system, guns would not be such a big problem.
(Yes, a last minute save)
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"It is not that I am mad; it is only that my head is different from yours.”
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Bah, this conversation jumped the tracks a long time ago. Besides, straying off topic is one of the things that makes life interesting.
I, for one, am glad Scher shared, and I agree: Ken Robinson is El Hombre. If we'd've had teachers like him when I was in school, I wouldn't have been sitting there contemplating shooting myself half the time. (Shucks, it ain't hard staying on topic.)
But speaking of jumping the tracks, here's an educational video from Sancho's day:
http://youtu.be/8zFS7TFzlro
Uhhhh...
Yeah, guys, I hear you on medicating children. You know most schools in the United States actually did away with recess? It really makes you wonder if they actually understand children. As it happens, I have two offspring who have been diagnosed with ADHD and ADD, inattentive type, so I do believe that the condition exists. We did not use medication when they were young, mostly because we didn't know then that they had it; that is not to say they did not have difficulty with school. My youngest one started taking medication in middle school. One teacher actually said that the before and after difference in his behavior was like a miracle. He opted not to take it in high school, and I won't go into the struggle he had to graduate, but he did.Sometimes he would fail a class, then pass the state mandated tests with flying colors. Go figure.
Interestingly and importantly, they sort of know now that those meds help everybody, which is why it's hard to keep Adderall on the shelves. And the medication was never meant to be used alone. It was supposed to be used in conjunction with behavioral therapy. My point being that they still don't have many effective ways of treating ADD-yet another mental health issue.
Oh yeah, Sancho, School House Rock rocks!
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its' own reason for existing." ~ Albert Einstein
"Remember, no matter where you go, there you are." Buckaroo Bonzai "Some people say I done alright for a girl." Melanie Safka
Saw a doco once about a boy who went ape when fed potatoes.
By the way, as OP this is exactly how I'd hoped the thread would go.
Education is part of the whole and that animated video of Ken Robinson's lecture was just amazing. However DISCIPLINE is anpther factor, when do we start with that? How is that learned/taught, the self discipline to curb yout natural inclinations and engage with society as it is, NOT how you'd like it to be.
Update: A shooting in a Californian school. Two shots fired, one student badly injured, then the gunman was persuaded to give up his weapon.
Perhaps the significance of this was that he was armed "only" with a shotgun, that's two shots (usually.) If he could've squeezed off 30 rounds in a few seconds, who knows how high the body count would be.
Last edited by prendrelemick; 01-11-2013 at 02:33 PM.
ay up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJdhA...&feature=share
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TEBy6KPjVw
^Two videos of Piers Morgan vs RATIONAL gun owners as opposed to a paranoid maniac.
prendrelemick: In America, as far as I'm aware, they are allowed shotguns with much higher capacity than here in the UK. And if the guy had chosen NOT to give up his weapon...?
By the sound of it and sorry to say they sound like they cannot get enough of it. Guns are pests and the only way to them is to scrape them off completely but I guess that is one true impossibility. Once one knows the way to a gun one could never erase it.
Guns are suicidal and have a negative effect on people in general. It is not good.
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
So whether the Alex Jones method is used or that of those shown here, the result is still the same i.e. Piers Morgan getting shot down in flames. It must be particularly galling for the self-proclaimed occupiers of the moral high ground to see those ignorant rednecks refusing to knuckle under to their intellectually superior and righteous position on the issue.
"L'art de la statistique est de tirer des conclusions erronèes a partir de chiffres exacts." Napoléon Bonaparte.
"Je crois que beaucoup de gens sont dans cet état d’esprit: au fond, ils ne sentent pas concernés par l’Histoire. Mais pourtant, de temps à autre, l’Histoire pose sa main sur eux." Michel Houellebecq.
That's a variation of an old trick down south: do an awe-shucks country-boy routine to lull the pretentious New Yorker into state of self admiration, and then take him for all he's worth. Works every time. My mother, a big-city girl from Chicago, learned that trick the hard way at a used car lot in Aiken, South Carolina.
Volya is correct, and rednecks prefer high-capacity pump shotguns. There's even such a thing as a semi-automatic shotgun (sometimes ya just gotta say, WTF!?).
There's an attitude I'd like to see changed here and I think the gun-control advocates could work with it: it's the assumption that a gun guy is a tough guy. This is just my observation, but of the people I know who habitually carry a handgun, every one of them is a coward.
I'll say it again, Guns are for Cowards. (soldiers, the police, and possibly mothers protecting their babies excepted)
I've got some add campaign ideas:
"Hey there, little feller, that's a mighty big pistol yer packin'."
or
A normal citizen has a conversation with a gun goon:
"Hey, gun guy, how come all your friends call you 'Raisins'?"
"Donno. For some strange reason, they gave me that nickname at the gym in the shower one day."
Uhhhh...
cacian: I'm sorry, but that's completely ridiculous.
And Sancho, I don't know any gun owners, so I can't really judge, but that does seem like a generalization. I wouldn't call owning a gun for self-defence 'cowardice'.
I don't normally watch news, so this is my first encounter with Piers Morgan. Perhaps there is something about him that is annoying you and Emil, but I don't see it in these two videos.
In the debate with Ben Shapiro, a side issue seemed to be "bullying". I agree with Morgan that Shapiro seemed more like a "bully" than Morgan did. Part of this bullying was the way Shapiro framed the banning of assault rifles as a left-right political issue. This is more of a public health issue on the order of banning cigarettes in public buildings. As Morgan noted, even Ronald Reagan, a former, conservative US President, wanted these weapons removed.
Both Shapiro and Joshua Boston argued that US citizens should have assault rifles to protect themselves against the government, however, I don't see any way that these weapons could protect anyone from a government gone mad, regardless of what one sees in some action movies. Using them would amount to suicide not revolution. Defense against such a government would have to be more clandestine.
Watching the previous video with Alex Jones made me wonder if he has assault weapons. I think we should be more worried about people like Jones with these weapons than some hypothetical demonic government.
Last edited by YesNo; 01-13-2013 at 12:12 PM. Reason: grammar
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Agreed, I've always thought the tyrannical government argument was just a weak excuse for more guns.
Well now, that's just it. Just about every other idea on how to defend yourself against violence is better than packing a piece - avoiding the bad part of town, for instance - or running away - or kicking your attacker, right in the nuts. There're lots of clever ways to thwart an attacker without ventilating him. But once you have a pistol, it becomes your go-to option, and its effects are generally irreversible. If you kick somebody in the package, by contrast, he'll get over it. And you can reason with him while he's curled up in the fetal position on the sidewalk: "Now what was that you were saying about wanting my wallet?"
I don't know if you-all over there have followed the George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin case, but essentially what happened was one night a young black guy gets to trash-talking a neighborhood-watch guy and the neighborhood-watch guy pulls out a gun and shoots him dead. He's claiming self defense. He should be claiming lack of moral fiber.
Uhhhh...
I'm not entirely sure where I stand on the matter of being able to carry a pistol around. But I think you should be allowed to own guns - even semi-automatic 'assualt' guns - in your house. In most cases I'd guess the criminal is carrying some sort of weapon, be it a knife or a crowbar. And if you're old, or weak, or ill, you won't stand a chance. A gun is the most efficient way you can stop the intruder taking your stuff, or worse.
EDIT:
YesNo, Piers is definitely the bully there. In all the debates I've seen with him on gun control, he has claimed or implied that by wanting to own guns they're condoning the mass shootings that occurred and that they don't care about the children who died. It is also somewhat of a left-right political issue, given that those who are more right-wing tend to favour gun-ownership, and those on the left are more pro gun-control (in general, obviously there will be exceptions).
Last edited by Volya; 01-13-2013 at 12:51 PM.
Well sure, the old and feeble have earned the right to act in a cowardly manner. (Also, as mentioned above, mothers protecting their babies) But a young, able-bodied man who needs a concealed weapon to feel safe when out and about, should just stay home instead, and knit a sweater or something.
Uhhhh...
Wow, folks are still firing away on this.
Now come on Sancho, I might be afraid of the missus, but I'm not afraid of a paper target at 300 yards, or beer cans, pumpkins or a feral hog if the need came about.
For what it's worth, a refresher on this gun toten member's persepctive on owning a gun. see post 14, 54, 139 and 250.
EDIT - clarify - "toten" means I own three guns, but I do not carry on my person. They are for the reasons posted previously. Besides the 03-A3 would be spotted a mile away.
Sancho, you might appreciate 250.
Last edited by Gilliatt Gurgle; 01-13-2013 at 01:17 PM.
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