Johnny Cash

[stlukesguild]

Arthur Lee and his band Love deserved far much more praise than Bob Dylan or any other American artists at the time.

We have no culture. Everybody likes the Beatles. It's cool to like the Beatles. I'm just keeping to known musicians. There are musicians in the last 50 years who in there time would have been Mozart or Bach or Haydn because they are just as good. And that is truly lasting because anybody that cares to learn will look back at these records and be amazed.



Do you actually practice your inane comments ahead of time, or do they just come naturally. Oh yes... and with your vast knowledge and experience of classical music please do tell me just who these musicians/composers of the last 50 years who would have been Bach, Mozart, and Haydn because they are just as good. I could use a good laugh today.

Reading EA rant about popular (x) is always hilarious - whether it's Bob Dylan or Fitzgerald - as long as they have been titled "great" by some people, he will cobble together inane arguments to prove that he is far better than the world because he likes them. I'd label it "hipster" but hipsters are too mainstream I suppose.

Bingo! There will always be those who imagine that by denigrating what others deem to be "great art" they will make themselves appear far more sophisticated... or hip. One of my favorite scenes from Calvin & Hobbes puts this quite well:

Calvin: People always make the mistake of thinking art is created for them. But really, art is a private language for sophisticates to congratulate themselves on their superiority to the rest of the world. As my artist’s statement explains, my work is utterly incomprehensible and is therefore full of deep significance.

All of your blathering about The Beatles being non creative, original, and groundbreaking just completely flies in the face of reality, but do keep proclaiming it and maybe you'll lose credit with everyone who might've been willing to listen to you for half a minute.

You are being generous... assuming he still has a degree of credibility worth saving.

[Emil Miller]

This thread is hilarious. It starts ......"Who here is a fan of The Man In Black?"

Continues with the reply......."I can't watch the music video for Hurt without crying. Cash was the man."

And ends....."Cash was a legend while Dylan was sucking on his mothers tit."

And........ "Look, we get it, you're a snob that favors obscure bands and is all pissy because bands/artists you don't like are popular."

Now I have no knowledge of Cash, or any of the other guitar strummers mentioned, but he does figure in a brief incident from my younger days.

I was staying in Norway with an English friend who had taken to wearing a pair of cowboy boots and, as we were walking along the main street in Oslo one evening, we passed by some sort of club from which pop music could be heard. A group of girls standing outside looked at my friend, who was quite tall and lean, and one of them nudged another and said in all seriousness: "Johnny Cash!"
Eventually my friend's contract came to an end and realising that cowboy boots, that might impress the girls in Oslo, would be looked at askance in his English village decided to leave them in his office. Some weeks later he received a parcel and found on opening it that it contained the boots with a note saying that he appeared to have forgotten them.

I think, perhaps, that Johnny Cash would have smiled.

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[Sancho]

My mother knew this one by heart, and since she liked to sing it so much – so do I.

Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash, Jackson:
http://youtu.be/nzhzCF77GDo

Also, Emil, true cowboy boots on an icey street - bad Ju-Ju. Those suckers are slicker than snot.

(P.S. I toggled through the rant; don't have time to read it; figured Emil's summation would suffice.)

[E.A Rumfield]

Cash covered Hank Williams to Depche Mode. That's something.

Anyway you should admit you at least got some entertainment from this.

[Calidore]

Yep, in addition to doing his own thing, he covered Bob Dylan, Hank Williams, Depeche Mode, Nine Inch Nails, Soundgarden, Leadbelly, Beck, Tom Petty (I wish Cash had joined the Traveling Wilburys--that would be the best supergroup ever), Louis Armstrong, Danzig, Neil Diamond, Bob Marley, Sheryl Crow, Neil Young, Nick Cave, U2, and lots more, because rather than rejecting music for being too alt or too popular, he had an open mind and only cared about whether the music was good.

[E.A Rumfield]

Yep, in addition to doing his own thing, he covered Bob Dylan, Hank Williams, Depeche Mode, Nine Inch Nails, Soundgarden, Leadbelly, Beck, Tom Petty (I wish Cash had joined the Traveling Wilburys--that would be the best supergroup ever), Louis Armstrong, Danzig, Neil Diamond, Bob Marley, Sheryl Crow, Neil Young, Nick Cave, U2, and lots more, because rather than rejecting music for being too alt or too popular, he had an open mind and only cared about whether the music was good.

As do I. You can surely accept that I dislike something that you like, right?

[Anton Hermes]

If Sgt. Pepper wasn't ahead of the tide then nothing of that era was.

The Beatles actually did very little trailblazing; their talent was in appropriating the innovation of others and making better music with it. The only indisputable first on Sgt. Pepper was the lyric sheet on the back cover.

They certainly had more expensive equipment and coin for studio time in the Sgt. Pepper era than the people who actually pioneered psychedelic rock, like the 13th Floor Elevators. It should also be said that rock musicians like Frank Zappa and Brian Wilson had been using the studio as an instrument well before Sgt. Pepper. But the amount of talent and effort they lavished on the project paid off. On the only occasion the Beatles musically one-upped the Stones, Pepper's calculated trippiness was coherent, tuneful, and full of recognizable characters. The Stones' stab at genuine trippiness, Their Satanic Majesties Request, was embarrassingly feeble.

[E.A Rumfield]

The Beatles actually did very little trailblazing; their talent was in appropriating the innovation of others and making better music with it. The only indisputable first on Sgt. Pepper was the lyric sheet on the back cover.

They certainly had more expensive equipment and coin for studio time in the Sgt. Pepper era than the people who actually pioneered psychedelic rock, like the 13th Floor Elevators. It should also be said that rock musicians like Frank Zappa and Brian Wilson had been using the studio as an instrument well before Sgt. Pepper. But the amount of talent and effort they lavished on the project paid off. On the only occasion the Beatles musically one-upped the Stones, Pepper's calculated trippiness was coherent, tuneful, and full of recognizable characters. The Stones' stab at genuine trippiness, Their Satanic Majesties Request, was embarrassingly feeble.

I forgot about the Elevators! Ever heard of Procol Harum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmewFHJNuRA

And that is my point The Beatles made more waves in recording techniques than anything else. They were average to bad musicians. That can't be ignored. They made the formula for the modern day pop song. It's like the Zombies or the Monkees or the Kinks, anyone really in the scene joked on those bands.

This is what Bryan MacLean of Love had to say of the Monkees. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCY_hOKp6ZQ
They were square, he says. Their music was comedy.

[MorpheusSandman]

The Beatles actually did very little trailblazing; their talent was in appropriating the innovation of others and making better music with it.

I don't see why such a thing isn't trailblazing in itself. In the vast majority of creative trailblazers we can trace their innovations back to pre-existing ideas. The "greatest film ever made," Citizen Kane, that is so often praised for revolutionizing cinema in all its originality and innovations didn't have a single unique invention in it, but instead synthesized all of the cinematic tools available at the time. Shakespeare didn't invent any new stories, but merely reworked old ones. Trailblazing and innovation doesn't necessarily equate with being the absolute first to do anything beyond bringing old ideas/material together in new ways.

[jajdude]

I don't recall ever hearing anybody say, "I don't like Johnny Cash." I'm sure some people must dislike his music, or not think highly of it at least, but I have never heard anyone say it. I know every time I hear him played in a bar, no one ever complains.

[Gilliatt Gurgle]

My mother knew this one by heart, and since she liked to sing it so much – so do I.

Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash, Jackson:
http://youtu.be/nzhzCF77GDo
...

My old lady is known to belt that one out between her nagging episodes and renditions of Coal Miners Daughter.

Johnny covered Shel Silverstein too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1BJfDvSITY

[ralfyman]

I like "The Man Comes Around," which in many ways is connected to current global crises.

[jajdude]

Johnny Cash was and is great. End of story.

[MarkBastable]

I don't recall ever hearing anybody say, "I don't like Johnny Cash." I'm sure some people must dislike his music, or not think highly of it at least, but I have never heard anyone say it. I know every time I hear him played in a bar, no one ever complains.

I don't like Johnny Cash.

There you go - a new experience every day.