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    Quote Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf View Post
    It is true that most commercials put females into the cleaning/cooking role. When they use men, they always depict them as incompetant idiots. "Derp! Gee honey, instead of buying socks for the kids I just thought it would be a good idea to dip their feet in white paint but now there's paint all over the floor!" -actual commercial.



    Haha I know, one of the women I asked was East Indian or something and didn't speak english very well, she thought I was giving her a jar of spaghetti sauce. She handed it back, "oh, no thank you!"



    Haha, maybe my revulsion of housekeeping is the result of that subconcious plan.



    Well why don't they just not do it?



    People are always saying that, it's so dishonest. I don't think being a stay-at-home mom in any way compares, in arduousness, physical danger, and/or potential for psychological trauma or burnout, to:

















    I mean sure, watching endless daytime tv and cleaning up after screaming brats is a boring and sh*tty (often literally) job, but "the toughest job out there?" I really don't think so. I don't get why it's supposed to be a big deal that women work anyway, my momma worked 50 hours/week and I've always done better in school and life than my classmates who had moms around the house all day. First she was a waitress (stressful job), and while she was waitressing she was studying to be an accounant because she had me when she was seventeen before she could go to college, and from the time I was sixteen on she worked at the havoc-riddled local wood mill as their accountant. My mother is the epitome of "hard work," it benefited me to see that growing up, and plus it made me proud of her.
    You have great genes and grew up in a small town environment and from what you say I gather that you had/have great parents. Your intellectual and moral success was a given.

    In order to really respond I must go off on a rant about advertising. Picture me seated at a kitchen table, smoking a tobacco pipe, ranting lividly, pulling out my beard as I speak.

    Kids today are crazy. We have 11 year old boys pressuring girls to perform sexual acts on them. We have homophobia beyond what should be tolerated. Kids today are wired to the hilt. Many are fat. Many do not play outside. I remember when the shift took place. I was about 12 years old. Playstation was invented. I was always a big gamer, but Sega had its limitations. After six hours of Sonic or Mortal Combat it got boring and so me and my friends would hop on our bikes and go tear around the roads and trails like the happy free-born children we were. But playstation was so awesome, so much more fun, we would never get bored. We began spending all our time INSIDE. Then the internet got big. I was one of the first kids to become an internet addict, because my brother got a computer from the home-schooling program. I would go on the original file-sharing programs for endless hours. Now, except in the summer or for weekend parties on the beach, we would never go outside. We started not getting exercise. I saw friends gain weight, develop psychological disorders, get lazy.

    This is a case in point. In the 1950s you had every housewife watching television and being told she had to buy divers products that served no real purpose other than satisfying some inherent human craving to have and hoard. Often the husband could not afford to buy all these things, or he considered them useless, and so the woman would have to go get a job in order to buy all these things. The way the ads presented the products it made it seem like her very womanhood depended on her having all these things - cleaning products, clothing items, everything beyond the basics.

    In my opinion a strong and happy and virile youth is one of the most beautiful things on this earth. There is so much hope and promise in youthful virtue. It takes a lot of effort to raise someone not to be lazy or bullying or idiotic. Society itself is insane and judgemental, it takes a lot of parenting to prevent children from falling prey to negative societal pressures.

    My parents did a good job raising me, but television and the internet also played a major role in my mental formation. I'm not saying this is all bad, I love television and the internet, but I think it stunted my development. I often act like a teenager. I blame the fact that advertising ruined traditional family roles and so my mother was out working 40-50 hours a week, often 6 days a week, when she could have been tutoring me in math and telling me to be strong and virtuous and all that. Mostly I only had her example of hard-work and virtue and the actual lessons were not said. She was usually too tired from work.
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    This whole mothering-as-hard-job conversation makes me think of this from one of my favorite stand-up comedians:

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rwPg2oarG_c

    "These mothers are bending over at the waist putting DVDs into DVD players. I don't know how they do it! . . . Any job you can do in your pajamas is not a difficult Job, alright?"

    (And before someone gets their panties in a twist, remember that it's comedy.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandis View Post
    This whole mothering-as-hard-job conversation makes me think of this from one of my favorite stand-up comedians:

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rwPg2oarG_c

    "These mothers are bending over at the waist putting DVDs into DVD players. I don't know how they do it! . . . Any job you can do in your pajamas is not a difficult Job, alright?"

    (And before someone gets their panties in a twist, remember that it's comedy.)
    Just be careful with your jokes. Nowadays we must remain politically correct. At all costs. Even at the cost of truth.

    True story.

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    Politically correct comedy is by far the worst comedy there is.

    More of Burr's thoughts on women's issues. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr162OZ2Z0w

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandis View Post
    Politically correct comedy is by far the worst comedy there is.

    More of Burr's thoughts on women's issues. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr162OZ2Z0w
    He's pretty hilarious. He goes far. Some of his stuff freaks even me out and I say pretty freaky stuff often.

    I am pro-equality between men and women. But I will not ignore and try to diminish the differences between the sexes. Men and women are different and the beauty of their union comes from this difference. They are perfectly complimentary, as God and Nature intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darcy88 View Post
    I am pro-equality between men and women. But I will not ignore and try to diminish the differences between the sexes. Men and women are different and the beauty of their union comes from this difference. They are perfectly complimentary, as God and Nature intended.
    You buy into romantic myths and you prove this with almost every post you make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babyguile View Post
    You buy into romantic myths and you prove this with almost every post you make.
    That's because I cause romantic myths. I am romantic. I spout romantic stuff to women like I'm making up sonnets on the fly. I go out and buy them random jewelry and flowers. When I love a girl I try to woo her like few other men these days try to woo.

    And when I love a woman my love for that woman sticks through my breast plate and into my heart like a 12 inch pin that can't be taken out.

    The myths are there for a reason. A lot of the reason women say things like you just said is that they have not met a guy like me to make them believe in romance again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darcy88 View Post
    That's because I cause romantic myths. I am romantic. I spout romantic stuff to women like I'm making up sonnets on the fly. I go out and buy them random jewelry and flowers. When I love a girl I try to woo her like few other men these days try to woo.

    And when I love a woman my love for that woman sticks through my breast plate and into my heart like a 12 inch pin that can't be taken out.

    The myths are there for a reason. A lot of the reason women say things like you just said is that they have not met a guy like me to make them believe in romance again.
    And they won't meet that guy because they don't want to meet that guy. They're too attached to their militaristic feminist views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandis View Post
    And they won't meet that guy because they don't want to meet that guy. They're too attached to their militaristic feminist views.
    Bingo Mutatis, bingo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darcy88 View Post
    That's because I cause romantic myths. I am romantic. I spout romantic stuff to women like I'm making up sonnets on the fly. I go out and buy them random jewelry and flowers. When I love a girl I try to woo her like few other men these days try to woo.

    And when I love a woman my love for that woman sticks through my breast plate and into my heart like a 12 inch pin that can't be taken out.

    The myths are there for a reason. A lot of the reason women say things like you just said is that they have not met a guy like me to make them believe in romance again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandis View Post
    And they won't meet that guy because they don't want to meet that guy. They're too attached to their militaristic feminist views.
    Quote Originally Posted by Darcy88 View Post
    Bingo Mutatis, bingo.
    'Yeah buddy! *high-five*'



    I can see what the two of you have done here: You've called me a militant feminist. You've brought me to the level of the children's playground (or the boardroom) and called me a naughty word: you've put me into a stereotype in order to shut down my argument so that if I did try and debate your points I would only be 'proving' how much of a 'militant feminist' I am. Very clever. If this is how people argue on the internet then I'm tempted to wash my hands of the activity altogether.

    Your exchange, where you high-five eachother for making stereotypical, egotistical, self-aggrandizing jingo, has captured the essence of machismo perfectly. Nothing more does need to be said. Indeed female posters from different walks of life have, over the past two weeks, rebuked the opinions displayed on this forum which seemed to stereotype women, but the message clearly has not gotten through.
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    Would you expand on our previous discussion? I asked in a post on the previous page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulclem View Post
    Would you expand on our previous discussion? I asked in a post on the previous page.
    No. I don't think there is a worthy enough audience on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulclem View Post
    Would you expand on our previous discussion? I asked in a post on the previous page.
    She (or he, it's still undetermined) has better stuff to do atop the giant pedestal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babyguile View Post
    No. I don't think there is a worthy enough audience on here.
    Worthy? Ok. Just asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babyguile View Post
    'Yeah buddy! *high-five*'



    I can see what the two of you have done here: You've called me a militant feminist. You've brought me to the level of the children's playground (or the boardroom) and called me a naughty word: you've put me into a stereotype in order to shut down my argument so that if I did try and debate your points I would only be 'proving' how much of a 'militant feminist' I am. Very clever. If this is how people argue on the internet then I'm tempted to wash my hands of the activity altogether.

    Your exchange, where you high-five eachother for making stereotypical, egotistical, self-aggrandizing jingo, has captured the essence of machismo perfectly. Nothing more does need to be said. Indeed female posters from different walks of life have, over the past two weeks, rebuked the opinions displayed on this forum which seemed to stereotype women, but the message clearly has not gotten through.
    Your attitude here presents a kind of McCarthyism. You are getting all indignant and self-righteous because you disagree with Mutatis and I.

    By the way - I wasn't even referring to you when I made that comment.

    Calm down. Debate is not about paranoia and bitterness. You have insulted this entire forum.

    This kind of attitude you have is the result of industrialization and consumerism. Rather than women taking care of the home they are expected to compete with men for jobs and if they do not do it they are made to feel impotent and lazy and like they are second class. The attitude which attempts to make women non-nurturers and instead only consumers is in reality a powerful process of DEFEMINIZATION.
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