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    1. The Departure by Neal Asher. A solid sci fi about an overcrowded dystopian earth that has become ruled by a world government - with frequent references to the Eurozone - which has decided to annihilate a large portion of the billions who would die anyway. Our hero, Adam Saul, has developed an organic interface to computers and implanted it in his brain in order to overcome the military backed bureacracy. Pacy beginning to a new series. 7/10
    2. The House of the Dead by Doestoyevsky. A brilliant depiction of life in a Siberian jail in the 19th century. The characterisation, the relentless drudgery described, the themed chapters that veer away from a chronological account, the events that punctuated the years in jail and the pathos of the men and animals all combine in to a life of slow horror. 10/10
    3. The Battle for Crete by Anthony Beevor. An interesting and comprehensive account of the fall of Crete in WW2 when the Germans launched their first and only parachute invasion. It charts the dithering and incompetence of the British command, and how they lost a battle they nearly won. 8/10
    4. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep by Philip Dick. Set in a dystopian, nuclear future, a Bounty Hunter is charged by the police department to "retire" 6 new androids produced by a shady corporation. It examines the relationship of man to living and non-living beings in an autopsy of empathy. A good, though provoking read. 8/10
    5. Nightwatch by Terry Pratchett. This concerns the time travels and trials of Commander Vimes in Ankh-Morpork. It's a great plot, and an enjoyable read. The thing with Pratchett's books is the weak humour, often based upon tired stereotypes such as the "Aunties" that patrol certain streets and are reputedly deadly with an umbrella. We've seen this kind of thing with the Grannies in Monty Python. Nevertheless a good read. 7/10
    6. Embassytown by China Mieville. You never know quite what you're going to get with Mieville's work, as the blurb never does justice to the story. I had a space opera preconception about this book, but was surpried to find it being about language - the hosts of an alien planet have a unique way of communicating with humans - which may prove to be an allegory about the failure of human cultures to speak and understand one another. There's political intrigue, exotic aliens and landscapes, and a story that is both surprising and interesting. 8/10
    7. The Castle of Otranto by Horace Walpole. This book has everything, love, death, betrayal, hermits, ghosts, giant hands, helmets and feet, murder, corsairs, a lost child, a discovered son, a mad Lord, sentences of death, usurpers, piety, familial love, tragedy, coincidence, melodrama, imprisonment, escape. divine justice... For a book written over 200 years ago, it has it's qualities and flaws. It is plot driven with little development of character or a sense of place, but, as one of the first gothic novels it deserves a whirl. 6/10
    8. Archangel by Robert Harris. A very good thriller set in post Glasnost Russia. Fluke Kelso, a hisorian whose specialism is Stalin, is drawn into a political intrigue that takes him to the heart of Russian politics laced with murder, insanity and power. 9/10
    9. The Reality Dysfunction by Peter F Hamilton. Very good sci fi with credible, well thought out worlds, and an interesting take on ethnicity and religion in space. It races at a thumping pace - all 1100 pages - and this is only part one of a trilogy. 8/10

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    Nothing To Envy: Real Lives in North Korea Barbara Demick

    Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave Frederick Douglass

    Singing the Master: The Emergence of African American Culture in the Plantation South Roger D. Abrahams

    Night Show Richard Laymon

    Forest Mage Robin Hobb

    The Curse of the Mistwraith Janny Wurts

    Women in Athenian Law and Life Roger Just

    The Yellow Wallpaper Charlotte Perkins Gilman

    David Copperfield Charles Dickens
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    Note: My ratings are based mostly on enjoyment of the text.

    1. Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood -- 9/10. 2012 is off to a good start. This book was excellent. A compelling story that really kept me turning the pages. I loved the back and forth timeline; it was brilliantly utilized. Ths was my first Atwood book, and I'm looking forward to reading more from her.

    2. Dubliners by James Joyce -- 7/10. If it wasn't by James Joyce and I didn't feel an overwhelming need to have liked it more than I did, it would have probably received a lower rating. I'm just not a huge fan of "slice of life" stories, now matter how beautifully written (and, honestly, I was expecting more in that department). I did find some of the stories charming, though, and the last paragraph of "The Dead" was particularly brilliant.

    3. The Book of Joby by Mark J. Ferrari -- 8/10. It's the story of a bet made between god and the devil on whether a kid (Joby), by the age of 40, will choose to be good and evil, and all of creation depends on his decision. I found it to be a very good read, very engaging, and I became very attached to the characters, while really hating others. One of the things that really bothered me, and something that knocked it down a point, is the author's overuse of italics. It became distracting. Still highly recommended, though.

    4. Collected Fictions by J.L. Borges -- 8/10. Definitely some of the most interesting short stories I've read. I loved some, wasn't too crazy about others, and sometimes I just didn't know what the hell was going, but his originality really struck me as brilliant.

    5. American Gods by Neil Gaiman --7/10. I wanted to like this book more than I did, even though I did really enjoy it. After all the praise, I was expecting too much, though. The ideas were original, but I just didn't find the main character's attitude about his situations believable.

    6. Jane Eyre by Charlotte Brontė -- 7/10. It was good. The writing was good, but I just can't say that the story intrigued me throughout. I much preferred her experiences as a child and with the mad woman over the romance stuff, which was boring.

    7. Midnight's Children by Salman Rushdie -- 8.5/10. I'm becoming more of a fan of magical realism, and this book is why. Strange story, well (and unusually) written, interesting characters. What more is there to say?

    8. The City and The City by China Meiville -- 8/10. This is an author I've been meaning to read for some time,*and he didn't disappoint. The story was good, the world well built and original, and the writing nice and fast-paced. Just a very enjoyable read. I will definitely be checking out more of his work.

    9. The Aeneid by Virgil -- 8/10. This was surprisingly enjoyable (I never have high expectations when going reading epic poetry, enjoyment wise). It was an excellent adventure story and quite fast paced. Plus, I loved the gory battle scenes. Movies like 300 really aren't far off the mark, it seems.

    10. The Things They Carried by Tim O'Brien -- 10/10. This is a a semi-autobiographical book of (connected) short stories about the Vietnam war. I found it to be an amazing read; it's beautifully written; at times funny, horrifying, sad, and always poignant; a wonderfully quick paced read; and a non-heroic look at the Vietnam war. And don't think it's a book just for people interested in war--it's themes are universal. I seriously could not find a single flaw in this book.

    11. The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins -- 6.5/10. I enjoyed this more than I thought I would, though I found some inconsistencies with the main character and a particularly annoying plot turn near the end. All in all, though, and enjoyable read. Read my review here.

    12. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo by Stieg Larson -- 6/10. A good read with some pretty obvious flaws. It's a bit long-winded, often giving more backstory than the reader wants or needs, and the climax comes way to early. Salander, (the character referenced to on the title) is an excellent character, though.

    13. The Shadow of the Wind by Carlos Ruiz Zafron -- 9/10. A beautifully written gothic mystery that brought to mind Poe and Hawthorne. The imagery was great, the prose lyrical, the story captivating, and the characters excellently crafted. A really good book.

    14. The Iliad by Homer -- 6/10. I just couldn't get into this. Just too long and too much rambling on about so-and-so killing so-and-so and what not. It's been a long time since I've read it, but I think I enjoy The Odyssey much more.

    15. Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke -- 9/10. I think this is really one of the greatest prices of sci-fi ever written. Clarke seems to get short-changed whsn people discuss the great sci-fi authors, but he wrote some wonderful stuff--one just needs to find them within his huge oeuvre. Wonderful story, quickly paced, and incredibly thoughtful. A definite must read for any sci-fi fan.

    16. Trumpet by Jackie Kay -- 8/10. A very unique novel about a female jazz singer who lived his life as a man, and the perspectives of those who knew him. The prose is absolutely beautiful--it's clear that Kay is a primarily a poet--but there just wasn't much of a plot . . . barely any at all, actually. That's fine for some, but not for me. If it had a bit more narrative, it would've gotten a 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mona amon View Post
    My list so far -

    1. First book of 2012 - Charlotte Bronte's Shirley (re-read). Not her best, but still the work of a genius. 8/10
    2. The Tale of Genji - Murasaki Shikibu (re-read). A beautiful book which I enjoyed very much, and it's been around for a thousand years, so a well deserved 10/10
    3. The Good Earth - Pearl Buck. Well written. Flows well and has many good points, but a bit simplistic and falls just below the mark. 6/10
    4. The Sound and the Fury - William Faulkner. What a beautiful book! Quentin Compson and Benjy and Caddy will haunt me forever! 10/10
    5. Daddy-Long-Legs - Jean Webster. I saw it on project Guttenburg and downloaded it as I remember liking it as a kid. A very sweet, innocent sort of story. 7/10
    6. My Antonia - Willa Cather. There's something very appealing about well written, nostalgic, childhood reminiscences like this one, and I did like it, but on the whole it was ho-hum. 6/10

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    Short Stories -
    1. The Killers - Earnest Hemingway. 9/10
    2. A rose for Emily - William Faulkner. 7.5/10

    Plays -
    1. The Merchant of Venice - William Shakespeare. Not my favourite Shakespeare. The only great parts were the ones with Shylock in it, the trial scene especially. The rest of the play sucked, if I may say so. 8/10
    2. The Jew of Malta - Marlowe. I thought it would be a big bore, but it turned out to be a cracker! 6.5/10
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi View Post
    16. Trumpet by Jackie Kay -- 8/10. A very unique novel about a female jazz singer who lived his life as a man, and the perspectives of those who knew him. The prose is absolutely beautiful--it's clear that Kay is a primarily a poet--but there just wasn't much of a plot . . . barely any at all, actually. That's fine for some, but not for me. If it had a bit more narrative, it would've gotten a 10.
    Being dubious and cynical about the whole transgender cause I may find that book interesting but aggravating: I can predict the stance she is likely to take having read enough of her poetry. It's short so I might read it though.

    Jackie Kay came to my University a couple of months ago. I had my name down to attend her talk but more important plans (family) clashed and so I couldn't attend. I was devastated!
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    I didn't find much of a stance in her book. She sort of just showed the loves of people around this transgender person--I never thought she endorsed or condoned it, she just showed it. Of course, for close-minded people against something like transgender people (and I have absolutely no clue why any one would be against, or even dubious or cynical, a put the transgender "cause," unless one is one of those people who thinks anyone who loves differently is wrong) Jackie Kay not explicitly condemning it is condoning it in their eyes.

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    1. Aphra Behn - History of the Nun - 6/10, I get a lot of enjoyment out of how ridiculous early prose stories can be.
    2. Aphra Behn - The Fair Jilt - 7/10. This one is more ridiculous than the other, and thus better in my book.
    3. Eliza Haywood - Love in Excess - 6/10. Not big on amatory fiction really, but this is one of the 3 best selling novels of the 18th century.
    4. Charles Dickens - Oliver Twist - 9/10. Not really one of Dickens' best, but it's one of his funnier novels, and who can forget Fagin, Mr. Bumble, or Sikes.
    5. Lynn Breedlove - One Freak Show - 7/10, a transcription of lesbian/trans man musician and comic Lynn Breedlove's show One Freak Show, essentially a series of humorous anecdotes about her life and the status of trans people in the LGBT community in the United States. Some parts of it are not that great, but it's a short breezy read, so the bad parts are easy to overlook.
    6. Richardson - Pamela - 5/10. This is a painful read but a very influential book, the first part is much better than the "how to be a good housewife" manual that forms the final part of the novel.
    7. Arthur Conan Doyle - Sign of Four - 8/10. Campy, fun Sherlocke Holmes novel that is terribly racist in parts.
    8. Jane Austen - Northanger Abbey - 9/10. Probably Austen's funniest novel, we all know a girl like Isabella Thorpe.
    9. Robert Louis Stevenson - Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde - 9/10. This is a re-read, but it's always a fun light read.
    10. Craig Thomson - Habibi - 8.5/10. Wonderful graphic novel, but a bit long in parts. I particularly like the tongue and cheek retelling of the Noah's arc story. I don't think it's as powerful a comment on how people relate to religion as Blankets, maybe because of the lack of personal depth that Thomson's earlier work had.
    11. Henry Fielding - Joseph Andrews and Shamela - 7/10. A fun read. To get the most out of Shamela you have to read Pamela first.
    12. Daniel Defoe - Journal of the Plague Year - 5/10. I thought I had included this since I read it in January, but oh well. It's an OK read, a lot of it is terribly boring reprinting of death statistics and Defoe's meandering philosophizing on the best way to handle a plague, but it is occasionally spiced up with Defoe's clever little "slice of life" stories. Defoe's Rebecca is a much better novel, I read it last year and it was a lot of fun.
    13. Horace Walpole - The Castle of Otranto - 6/10. Bizarre novel that opens with someone being mysteriously crushed by a giant helmet that appears out of nowhere.
    14. Henry James - The Aspern Papers - 8/10. There's something special about this that's hard to place a finger on.
    15. Michael Adams - Unlikely Utopia: The Surprising Triumph of Multiculturalism in Canada - 8/10. Great book that addresses a lot of the misinformation and media hysteria about immigrants with actual empirical evidence. Pollster Michael Adams doesn't shy away from waxing philosophical on ideas like Canadian and Quebecois national identity, which is probably the weakest part of his book when he tries to explain why the data is as it is. However, the data he gathers itself is compelling evidence that multiculturalism has not failed, but has been successful and is continuing to be even more successful as a strategy of integration for a just and liberal society.
    16. Arthur Conan Doyle - The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes - 6/10. Some of the short stories from this collection are better than others, but there's a definitely recognizable formulaic tendency that makes many of the less original "cases" a little boring. Although, plenty of the fun campy nonsense of Holmes.
    17. Margaret Harkness - In Darkest London - 7/10. Mixed feelings about this admittedly poorly constructed novel, but there is a certain power in the stark depictions of the impoverished East End of London in the 1880s. Reminiscent of The Jungle.
    18. Michael Moorcock - Elric of Melnibone - 7/10. Interesting little fantasy novel that is surprisingly still a fresh departure from the normal range of fantasy despite its age.
    19. Michael Moorcock - The Sailor on the Seas of Fate - 8/10. I like this one too.
    20. Philip Pullman - Northern Lights - 6/10. Interesting fantasy novel.
    21. Philip Pullman - The Subtle Knife - 8/10. I find this one a lot more interesting than the first in the series. There's a strikingly difference of tone and feel between novels in this series, much like in Moorcock's series.
    22. William Godwin - Caleb Williams - 7/10. An early social critique of the state in novelistic form, showing Godwin's own scepticism towards any form of institution. There's something very Frankensteinish in some scenes where Caleb is being chased across Great Britain by Lord Falkland, I'm sure it influenced his daughter's novel.
    23. Oscar Wile - The Picture of Dorian Gray - 10/10. Always worth a re-read.
    24. Robert A. Heinlein - Starship Trooper - 5/10. Meh, there's something interesting about the narrative structure of this text, and how little action there is in the novel that is mostly about the idea of civic responsibility and military service. The political philosophizing is preposterous but amusing like most of Heinlein's wacko ideas.
    25. Ann Pratchett - Bel Canto - 8/10. Read for the forum book club, a fun book that's an easy read, sharply written but probably not going to have much lasting impact on me.
    26. Steven Ericson - Garden of the Moon - 5/10. Wordy, meh.

    Need to pick something new to read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi View Post
    I didn't find much of a stance in her book. She sort of just showed the loves of people around this transgender person--I never thought she endorsed or condoned it, she just showed it. Of course, for close-minded people against something like transgender people (and I have absolutely no clue why any one would be against, or even dubious or cynical, a put the transgender "cause," unless one is one of those people who thinks anyone who loves differently is wrong) Jackie Kay not explicitly condemning it is condoning it in their eyes.
    What a ridiculous post on so many levels! I didn't even state what my opinion was on the issue, so as not to put the thread on an unrelated tangent. So you actually assumed that you knew what my stance was. You then carry on this arrogance and war-mongering by indirectly calling me a bigot and close-minded.

    Let's just stick to talking about books young man. And on that point I'd ask you to start reading literature more critically because you are clearing not understanding Jackie Kays' narrative; there is no way she would write a book with such a protagonist, who in many ways mirrors her own identity, only to not explore and give commentary on the ISSUE of transgender individuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babyguile View Post
    What a ridiculous post on so many levels! I didn't even state what my opinion was on the issue, so as not to put the thread on an unrelated tangent. So you actually assumed that you knew what my stance was. You then carry on this arrogance and war-mongering by indirectly calling me a bigot and close-minded.

    Let's just stick to talking about books young man. And on that point I'd ask you to start reading literature more critically because you are clearing not understanding Jackie Kays' narrative; there is no way she would write a book on transsexuality only to turn it into a love story and neglect the former issue altogether.
    Well, it may not be my place, but from an outsider's point of view... I don't think he was trying to offend you or have the post be as inflammatory as you took it!

    You mentioned in your earlier post that you were pretty sure you could predict the stance Jackie Kay would take in the book, and MM was just stating that he didn't actually see much of a stance. And I really don't think he was referring to you when he was talking about close-minded people! He was just saying that for some people who ARE close-minded, the subject matter itself is enough to create a "pro" stance on the issue.

    I could be wrong, and sorry if I'm intruding... but that's what I got from it, as an outsider reading over those posts...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babyguile View Post
    What a ridiculous post on so many levels! I didn't even state what my opinion was on the issue, so as not to put the thread on an unrelated tangent. So you actually assumed that you knew what my stance was. You then carry on this arrogance and war-mongering by indirectly calling me a bigot and close-minded.

    Let's just stick to talking about books young man. And on that point I'd ask you to start reading literature more critically because you are clearing not understanding Jackie Kays' narrative; there is no way she would write a book with such a protagonist, who in many ways mirrors her own identity, only to not explore and give commentary on the ISSUE of transgender individuals.
    I was talking about people in general, I didn't mention you specifically--I never even said "bigot."

    You haven't read the book, so you're obviously in no position to comment on Jackie Kay's narrative. She does explore and give commentary on the issue, but she does it subtly. She merely shows how people may act in such a situation--there're no "evil" characters who hate transgender, nor are there perfect characters. Even the two main characters, the transgender man and his wife, aren't perfect. Oh, but who am I to give commentary? I've only read the book and you haven't. Surely, you know more.

    But, I agree. Let's stick to the original point of this thread. Let's stick to talking about books, young woman (you're younger than me, after all). This would, of course, entail you actually follow the directions of the thread by rating the books you list. If you don't want to do this, please refrain from cluttering up the thread; you can easily "keep track of what you've read" in a Word document.
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    Note: My ratings are based mostly on enjoyment of the text.

    1. Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood -- 9/10. 2012 is off to a good start. This book was excellent. A compelling story that really kept me turning the pages. I loved the back and forth timeline; it was brilliantly utilized. Ths was my first Atwood book, and I'm looking forward to reading more from her.

    2. Dubliners by James Joyce -- 7/10. If it wasn't by James Joyce and I didn't feel an overwhelming need to have liked it more than I did, it would have probably received a lower rating. I'm just not a huge fan of "slice of life" stories, now matter how beautifully written (and, honestly, I was expecting more in that department). I did find some of the stories charming, though, and the last paragraph of "The Dead" was particularly brilliant.

    3. The Book of Joby by Mark J. Ferrari -- 8/10. It's the story of a bet made between god and the devil on whether a kid (Joby), by the age of 40, will choose to be good and evil, and all of creation depends on his decision. I found it to be a very good read, very engaging, and I became very attached to the characters, while really hating others. One of the things that really bothered me, and something that knocked it down a point, is the author's overuse of italics. It became distracting. Still highly recommended, though.

    4. Collected Fictions by J.L. Borges -- 8/10. Definitely some of the most interesting short stories I've read. I loved some, wasn't too crazy about others, and sometimes I just didn't know what the hell was going, but his originality really struck me as brilliant.

    5. American Gods by Neil Gaiman --7/10. I wanted to like this book more than I did, even though I did really enjoy it. After all the praise, I was expecting too much, though. The ideas were original, but I just didn't find the main character's attitude about his situations believable.

    6. Jane Eyre by Charlotte Brontė -- 7/10. It was good. The writing was good, but I just can't say that the story intrigued me throughout. I much preferred her experiences as a child and with the mad woman over the romance stuff, which was boring.

    7. Midnight's Children by Salman Rushdie -- 8.5/10. I'm becoming more of a fan of magical realism, and this book is why. Strange story, well (and unusually) written, interesting characters. What more is there to say?

    8. The City and The City by China Meiville -- 8/10. This is an author I've been meaning to read for some time,*and he didn't disappoint. The story was good, the world well built and original, and the writing nice and fast-paced. Just a very enjoyable read. I will definitely be checking out more of his work.

    9. The Aeneid by Virgil -- 8/10. This was surprisingly enjoyable (I never have high expectations when going reading epic poetry, enjoyment wise). It was an excellent adventure story and quite fast paced. Plus, I loved the gory battle scenes. Movies like 300 really aren't far off the mark, it seems.

    10. The Things They Carried by Tim O'Brien -- 10/10. This is a a semi-autobiographical book of (connected) short stories about the Vietnam war. I found it to be an amazing read; it's beautifully written; at times funny, horrifying, sad, and always poignant; a wonderfully quick paced read; and a non-heroic look at the Vietnam war. And don't think it's a book just for people interested in war--it's themes are universal. I seriously could not find a single flaw in this book.

    11. The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins -- 6.5/10. I enjoyed this more than I thought I would, though I found some inconsistencies with the main character and a particularly annoying plot turn near the end. All in all, though, and enjoyable read. Read my review here.

    12. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo by Stieg Larson -- 6/10. A good read with some pretty obvious flaws. It's a bit long-winded, often giving more backstory than the reader wants or needs, and the climax comes way to early. Salander, (the character referenced to on the title) is an excellent character, though.

    13. The Shadow of the Wind by Carlos Ruiz Zafron -- 9/10. A beautifully written gothic mystery that brought to mind Poe and Hawthorne. The imagery was great, the prose lyrical, the story captivating, and the characters excellently crafted. A really good book.

    14. The Iliad by Homer -- 6/10. I just couldn't get into this. Just too long and too much rambling on about so-and-so killing so-and-so and what not. It's been a long time since I've read it, but I think I enjoy The Odyssey much more.

    15. Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke -- 9/10. I think this is really one of the greatest prices of sci-fi ever written. Clarke seems to get short-changed whsn people discuss the great sci-fi authors, but he wrote some wonderful stuff--one just needs to find them within his huge oeuvre. Wonderful story, quickly paced, and incredibly thoughtful. A definite must read for any sci-fi fan.

    16. Trumpet by Jackie Kay -- 8/10. A very unique novel about a female jazz singer who lived his life as a man, and the perspectives of those who knew him. The prose is absolutely beautiful--it's clear that Kay is a primarily a poet--but there just wasn't much of a plot . . . barely any at all, actually. That's fine for some, but not for me. If it had a bit more narrative, it would've gotten a 10.

    17. The Pagoda by Patricia Powell -- 6/10. Another book similar to Trumpet, it is about a transgender man (I read both books for a class I'm currently taking), particularly a Chinese immigrant to Jamaica during the early 1900s. Maybe it's because I just read Trumpet, but I just couldn't get interested in this book, even though it was quite well written and compelling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandis View Post
    I was talking about people in general, I didn't mention you specifically--I never even said "bigot."

    You haven't read the book, so you're obviously in no position to comment on Jackie Kay's narrative. She does explore and give commentary on the issue, but she does it subtly. She merely shows how people may act in such a situation--there're no "evil" characters who hate transgender, nor are there perfect characters. Even the two main characters, the transgender man and his wife, aren't perfect. Oh, but who am I to give commentary? I've only read the book and you haven't. Surely, you know more.

    But, I agree. Let's stick to the original point of this thread. Let's stick to talking about books, young woman (you're younger than me, after all). This would, of course, entail you actually follow the directions of the thread by rating the books you list. If you don't want to do this, please refrain from cluttering up the thread; you can easily "keep track of what you've read" in a Word document.
    Cluttering up the thread? That's really hurtful; I like to share books that I read and hope people express opinions on them. That is what this forum is all about. Moreover, you do not hold a monopoly over this thread just because you created it. In other words I can post whatever I like. I wonder how many threads you have derailed in the past, even if just slightly.
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    Anyway, Mutatis, let's not continue this quabble any further. PM me if you wish.

    ...the end (I will allow you the last word).
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    And so shall starve with feeding.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babyguile View Post
    Anyway, Mutatis, let's not continue this quabble any further. PM me if you wish.

    ...the end (I will allow you the last word).
    You told me not to, remember? The reason why is mutual, I assure you.

    Anyways, it's not too hard to rate the books you list. You're the one wanting to stick to the original point of the thread. Do it, then.

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    I'm just going to say, hmmm...

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