...don't go around slapping crack hookers. Although I have limited experience with that particular genre, I do know they often have very angry pimps who would likely give you a first hand experience in darwinian behaviour.
...don't go around slapping crack hookers. Although I have limited experience with that particular genre, I do know they often have very angry pimps who would likely give you a first hand experience in darwinian behaviour.
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Originally Posted by JamCrackers
Though I have reservation against what osho has said yet reading your comments / observation I did not find osho too uninteresting.
Your idea of evolution is insuperable, some emerging preconceived ideas notwithstanding. There seems a form of rape in nature too. Ma n too is kind of bullish on woman in most cultures or religions. If we take the side of religion, say Hinduism, there was polygamy and one man having multitudes of women and how can there could be justice, understanding. Of course male jingoism was predominant and women had to surrender before the muscle power of their counterparts.
Of course I abhor rape. This is totally an inhuman activity; even osho raising this topic has not supported it though some people sounded intolerant. Yet events whether we like them. And we dread truth to the extent that we fear to see it and of course Crackers sounded bolder and he is not the herd but the one who breaks the peripheries or peal the veneers to observe the core of the truth.
We must learn such analytic ideas though it sounds bitter or goes against our taste.
“Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””
“If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.
I would like to be frustrated with JamCrackers, but I must admit that observing quality trolling is a guilty pleasure of mine, and this is some Grade-A material.
That said, based on the post here and few posts in other threads, there does seem to be a common thread in his seemingly incoherent ranting: He seems to be making a Dostoevskian "Without God, everything is permitted" argument through use of some pretty extreme argumentum ad absurdum. Anyone attempting to argue with him should keep that in mind.
Last edited by Dark Star; 04-22-2012 at 01:24 PM.
I believe juniper mentioned that rape is inherintley abhorent to most people. I agree, that most people living in cities or tows or what not troughout history have found rape abhorent. But if we look at not the context of the civilian but that of the soldier, rape from the begining of history up too present day war, is almost normal. In the olden times they would pillage and rape and that was just and normal and many soldier did it. Now it is frowned upon but in war they rape and pillage just the same, but the generals instead of cheering it on now, rather close a blind eye to that part of soldiery which cannot be fought against and won.
I have always wondered why soldiers rape, I mean it is common almost normal, my grandfather who was an Italian leftenant in the war once told me that when they captured a greek village, every woman in the town above the age of 12 was raped by the soldiers, and some officers also indulged, and the officers let it all happen because they knew that they could not prevent it. And that is why they were all fighting and scared because, they knew the allies would inevitably rape their woman.
He told me all the Americans who came were gentlemen, and it was rare for an american soldier to rape and harm a woman during the war, because they were all mostly volonteers and they came to fight the war because of ideals. But the German soldiers who were all conscripts forced into the war, most of them from the lower classes, raped a lot, and the english also raped but to a lesser extent.
He told me also that in the 1st world war, it was expected that when the austiarns took a village, there would be rape and looting.
Last edited by Alexander III; 04-22-2012 at 01:37 PM.
Well, I think war in itself is a pretty messed up thing. It's a situation in which people do all kinds of things they don't want to do, mainly killing other people. The vast majority of people who fight a war and kill someone most likely would never have done so outside of war. I doubt it's far-fetched to say that killing another person is unpleasant and traumatic, and I would think it can mess someone's mind up, so maybe rape no longer seems such a big deal. I also think a lot of soldiers regret a lot of things they do in a war when they're out of it. War changes people. Of course, I have no scientific basis, or any basis other than my own thoughts, for these ideas.
I'm glad to hear that about American soldiers, though. At least that's one self-aggrandizing idea of ourselves that holds true. I wonder if we were as noble in Vietnam, when we were drafted? Hopefully we were too stoned to be too cruel.
Oh man, well played Tony. Funniest post I've read in a while.
Unfortunately, it seems that US soldiers have lost a lot of their "gentlemanly" behavior in recent years.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3848/
http://www.salon.com/2007/03/07/women_in_military/
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...968110,00.html
http://couchtripper.com/rapedbysoldiers/?tag=iraq-war
It's shameful, disgusting, and abhorrent beyond words.
If you're going to be intolerant of anything, be intolerant of such violent and negative actions.
He's neither bold nor truthful nor analytical. The poster above who thinks he's a troll is probably right.
I met a guy in England who had fought in the Falklands who told me that their captain engaged in raping women in the villages that they went through. His comment was 'That's war innit?' You don't question your captain's actions. His opinion on the matter wasn't relevant because you don't get to think in the army, you just follow orders.
Before sunlight can shine through a window, the blinds must be raised - American Proverb
There seems to be a great deal of interest here for fighting the status quo, being bold, thinking deeply, and expressing shocking/unpleasant truths for the sake of doing all of those things instead of coming from a place of right and wrong.
Fair enough, I suppose. How about this for an unpleasant truth...Rape and misogyny ARE the status quo. The views being expressed by a select few here fall firmly into the "herd" mentality. If you're interested in fighting the status quo, then fight against THOSE terrible injustices.
It's not bold to stand with bullies, it's easy and cowardly. Justice takes courage.
I haven't read any of the posts in this thread but the first one, but here is my piece.
RAPE HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH SEXUAL ATTRACTION.
And I would like to note that the notion of someone being responsible for something because they are a certain 'way' is absolutely twisted and ignorant. No offence OP but your first post is disturbing. Just because someone is attractive does not mean they are responsible for something as horrific as that. Sick suggestion.
The point I just realised however, is irrelevant, because rape has very little to do with sexual attraction.
Rape is about the attacker, not the victim. Rapists look for people they identify as 'victims'.. have you heard of cases where elderly women are raped? That has nothing to do with attraction, and everything to do with power. Rapists find power in the act of rape, often rapes believe themselves to be 'powerless' to some degree, either they feel socially inept or sexually inept. And I guarantee, if you want to understand why a rapist commits such acts, all you'd need to do is examine their childhood. Be it the nature of their childhood or a particular event.
So many people are misinformed about rape. Sex, is an act in which both parties are vulnerable. It requires a great deal of trust. The act of rape violates this trust, and gives the rapist power.
Nothing to do with beauty, sexual attraction or the way a woman is dressed.
Ridiculous notion.
I think if you want to learn more about these kind of things you examine the psychological aspects behind the actions of a rapist.
or chasing waterfalls....don't go around slapping crack hookers. Although I have limited experience with that particular genre, I do know they often have very angry pimps who would likely give you a first hand experience in darwinian behaviour.
I get it! Unfortunately.
I'm going to laugh, not apologize.
A more depressing subject I haven't seen in quite awhile. I have had the very sad misfortune of knowing three ladies in my life thta had been raped. One was a lady I considered marrying way back in the day BUT the psychological trauma was beyond my maturity and ability to cope with. She received NO support from the church and for awhile seemed to think she was a ruined lady and went on a course of self-hatred and sexual adventures hating men in general. The second lady basically became a whore who liked to punish men with her body. The third I did not know very well but was the most stable of the three. The first one finally stopped her behavior and married another--the falling out we had was a step in the right direction BUT no credit should be given to me over me. I wish her nothing but happiness. So long story short--victms of rape are very much changed and I completely blame the rapist. I do not care what they thibnk their sick little minds entitle them to--they are wrong and it really is that simple. Don't even think to dignify it with a discussion. Trust me being very restrained here.
What I had in mind as well. I actually received a message from a friend last night asking for help and advice. His girlfriend was molested by her own father. And for me that is just unacceptable and downright vile. So I still stand on my point and opinion - I don't care if the person is sane or twisted, the rapist is at fault because the victim was in a vulnerable position.
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